I'm seeing something consistent in all the games that are lost.

Lost R·11/14/2019, 10:15:52 PM·26 votes·13,436 views

It isn't about which team fed more. It isn't about who didn't group for a teamfight. It's about objectives. It's about what you don't collectively have, as a team. It's what you don't do, collectively as a team. It's about how hellbound determined all of you are in going out of your way to screw over your own team in order to benefit yourself, no matter how high the cost or short term the benefits are.

All the pentakills in the universe do not win the game. Objectives do. Destroying the enemy Nexus is the only winning criteria.

Everyone only wants to play assassins and ADCs these days, and most of them aren't even halfway beginning to slightly decent at it. A team of assassins and ADCs can only do one thing, and if they can't do it, then they are basically worthless, doubly so since nobody wants to focus on pushing objectives and especially not defend their own lanes. Hell, most of the time, nobody is able to even build up the gumption to see even halfway through to the end of the laning phase; the first chance they get, they fuck off to retire to the jungle or attempt to teamfight the enemy in the enemy jungle. They just go all in trying to get all the pentakills as soon as possible, and the instant that doesn't work, just give up on the game.

Nobody has crowd control; they just expect to one shot the entire enemy team no matter who they are at any time, regardless of context. They don't get armor penetration to deal with tanks or Grievous Wounds to deal with healers; they all equally expect to be able to outdamage Soraka's healing, and it never fucking works no matter how many times they try it and no matter how many times I warn them.

Nobody goes for any of the dragons, not even Infernal, which is the only one anyone ever cares about. Hell, I've had people tell me that getting Cloud dragon is a literal automatic loss, even though it boosts movement speed and they waste most of their time just trying to chase the enemy team, even through all the slows and stuns that get thrown their way.

Nobody wants to deal with vision control and instead foists all of that responsibility onto the support, which is the dumping ground role for everything that doesn't have anything to do with pentakills these days. Not by Riot, but the community. This leads to situations more often than not where the support will get targeted first, last and only because their death means the entire team collapses because they're the only one role actually doing anything, and that includes doing the same one single job that the entire community wants to focus on to the absolute exclusion of everything else.

Nobody wants to figure out why they keep losing against one champion or another. They just say that X champion is broken and too overpowered, and that it has nothing to do with them being stupid or not figuring out how to not get killed by one champion or another. In one game, I had my ADC flip their shit and just run down bot lane because Jinx was the enemy, and hyperfed her to "prove" their point that she was too overpowered.

And then all of you have the balls to come on here and bitch about game imbalance, when 99.999999999% of ALL the imbalance in the game is caused exclusively by your own terrible life decisions. And Riot is too goddamn nice to say that you constantly do this shit, and have been to an increasing degree over the years. They instead try to create team building systems that miserably fail within a few months of release because you use it as an excuse each time to overspecialize even further while delegating the support role to an unspecified fifth party member, which ends up being increasingly rarer with each passing day.

So next time you want to bitch about game imbalance, take a look in the mirror, because what you will see I guarantee is having many thousands of times more of an effect on the game's imbalance than anything that Riot has ever done, especially when they constantly patch the game TO try and balance it.

102 Comments

Done2511/14/2019, 10:37:18 PM22 votes

I shit you not. Went to start up a Gold ranked game as Support. My ADC goes Ashe. K. Nice solid ADC with some good CC. Then the rest of my team locks in...

Top: Akali Jungle: Elise Mid: Leblanc

[slayer-jinx-unamused]

Dynikus11/14/2019, 10:20:52 PM14 votes

It's about objectives.

You've unlocked the secret to victory, my friend. League is and pretty much always has been primarily a macro game.

Darth Sucadic 11/14/2019, 10:41:59 PM11 votes

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It isn't about which team fed more. It isn't about who didn't group for a teamfight. It's about objectives.

Stopped reading there actually. If you feed the MasterYi Yasuo for example, the game is 100% over. All the teamplay or objectives won't matter anymore.

arowin24211/14/2019, 11:26:32 PM11 votes

'objectives win games, kills are but a means to an end.'

flashy plays are nice and all, but they can always horribly backfire and end up losing you the game. they are simply not worth the risk in my opinion the best player are the best, because they how how to turn something like a CS or EXP advantage into an objective advantage and snowball further from there.

this is why herald is so important, why mountain drake (used) to be important. hell, this is why inting sion worked. ZZ'rot portal? same idea.

kills are nice, they can be fun. but unless you translate that advantage that you (might) have gotten from it into an objective based one, It will NOT have mattered.

That's all.

Hayaishi211/14/2019, 11:34:23 PM9 votes

Nobodu actually wants to build team comps.

They all want to go Camille, K6, Trist Mid, Kaisa, Pyke and then wonder why every game feels like a stomp.

But Riot is at fault too. Because all they do is overbuff these selfish picks who should never EVER be the core of any meta. Like K6, Eve.

PhearBunny11/14/2019, 11:32:25 PM7 votes

Quiet down and let Ekko win the game by himself. Because he can, and will.

Summoner SpeII11/14/2019, 11:29:31 PM4 votes

I can predict almost every single game and how it will end up based on comp which team has more meta champions which team has the griefers which team has more auto fills and I believe the last part of this well which team has more auto fills the most deciding factor of the game

KnightLakega11/15/2019, 2:10:24 AM4 votes

I agree, but its not as easy as you make it sound..

When a team steam rolls their lanes, those "objectives" become nearly impossible to take, because that collective enemy team can 1 shot half your team even when half of them are in side lanes. The damage creep and damage output in the game is excessively high.

The only way, ONLY way a winning team loses is if they throw in a big way.. for over a year now, not seen a single game where the winning started losing and lost because the enemy team did everything right.. They only lost because they threw in a big way.

CaeIus11/15/2019, 2:55:07 AM3 votes

Destroying the enemy Nexus is the only winning criteria.

Gold 2-1 will be very fun for you. The most balanced matches I've had were on gold 2 specifically. The advice I give to you is: don't warn them, don't discuss with them, don't rage at them, and don't tilt. Just mute all and try your best. If they haven't learned that the cloud or mountain drake matters in 1000 matches in silver/gold, it's not you who is going to be able to teach them.

Blades of Exiled11/16/2019, 1:17:26 AM2 votes

Im just a 1 trick riven main i dont give a shit about team comp.Riven

Hi im 1211/15/2019, 5:18:44 AM2 votes

no, no, the real deciding factor to games is which team has more people playing s9 champs lmao

real talk tho, these days gold players seem to massively over value drakes, especially support players

Daemonborn11/15/2019, 12:30:15 PM2 votes

Recently in about a dozen games played I noticed the only time my jg got dragon was when I told them to or just started it myself. It's like objectives don't exist in low elo

mack911211/15/2019, 7:34:35 PM1 votes

People don’t trust there teammates and would rather rely on there own personal skill.

The moderator kayn posted a very thoughtful post about this.