Graves and "End of the Line"

Lost R··413 votes·9,744 views

I don't like the name. I get why it's being used, but it's not appropriate. The name's meaning has finality, but it's being used for his Q, which is the bread and butter of almost everyone's kit, AKA that's the one spell 99% of champions are going to be using extremely frequently. My solution: change around the names of Q and R so Q is Collateral damage and R is End of the Line. That way the most powerful and infrequent skill has the meaning of finality. Not only that, but Collateral damage makes a lot of sense for his Q because it deals splash damage to adjacent targets.

EDIT: Holy fishsticks! 300+ upvotes?! This is officially my most upvoted thread three times over! Keep upvoting people, so Riot will take notice of this. For your support in all this, I'm going to do something special.

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Lost R55 votes

Bumpin'. I'd like to also mention that I do like the idea of Graves' shotgun actually being a shotgun and the concept of his reloading. I had a similar idea a long time ago for a champion that used a revolver and had to reload every 6 shots. I didn't post it because honestly the champion's kit sucked after the revolver bit.

kJs2 votes

rofl

Lost R12 votes

I created a few champion concepts, but I don't post them because they're half-baked ideas, and as a content creator myself, I don't do half-baked.

Chromatic Eagle16 votes

content creator half-baked.

Have you played Call of Duty?

Lost R9 votes

Yes, I have, and I'm watching through Watch_doge right now. Talk about half-baked; the damn thing's still raw!

Hyrum Graff4 votes

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I created a few champion concepts, but I don't post them because they're half-baked ideas, and as a content creator myself, I don't do half-baked.

Ehh, I don't think there's a problem with half-baked so long as you follow up with the fully baked version after you've gotten feedback on the half-baked one.

Yeniboi1 votes

Jhin says hi.

Valaran Nara13 votes

I support this suggestion.

kJs4 votes

I wholeheartedly agree with this. Keep the upvotes going so Riot can see.

RetroRage964 votes

Kennen Yes yes yes!

sp4414 votes

Actually that's a pretty good idea. Specially since Graves scrawled "End of the Line" on his explosive shells in the New Dawn cinematic.

Meep Man4 votes

I think its a reference to the shell Graves used before he died in A New Dawn.

Lost R7 votes

I know, and that's why I say it be changed around so the "ability" he used that killed himself and Nautilus is the last one, the one you don't just sling around willy nilly.

Magearna5 votes

End of the line for YOU, end of the line for YOU, everyone gets the end of the line!

EROTIC RAID BOSS1 votes

I think it's appropriate actually... its a skill shot that cuts off escapes and it is his best tool against someone who gets away from his auto range. it does do a lot of damage as well, and it does its damage instantly when used to cut someone off firing it into a wall. and its the end of the line for lots of minions..

KING OF MASKS3 votes

Perfect solution, hope rito listens.

Leona Del Réy3 votes

+1 Simple, but nice change.

AirSonance3 votes

Yeah, I see where you're coming from. His ult, usually the finisher during a burst, should be the "end of the line." Instead, with is Q, the end comes every 14-8 seconds (give or take, don't know exact numbers).

Switch 'em, Riot. I'd like my end of the line to be the one that kills, not the one that pokes and clears the lane every few seconds.

Horrow2 votes

Sure why not. Here's an upvote and a post.

BadmoonBC2 votes

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Mathbalnase11 votes

If that is the sort of sentiment that you experience upon being reminded of your wife, I recommend a divorce.

BadmoonBC1 votes

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Mathbalnase9 votes

I think you'll find that the reason they 'bitch' so much is their over-exposure to misogynistic shits like you. At the very least, my personal experience falls far short of corroborating your claims.

Auroramancer4 votes

what did he say?

Lost R7 votes

He was basically saying how we're all pussies for bitching about everything like his wife. It was dumb and misogynistic.

Auroramancer3 votes

How is it misogynistic if he's talking about a specific individual though?

Mathbalnase6 votes

Comments concerning the complaints expressed in this thread with derogatory comparisons to those expressed by the average woman in daily life, along with added commentary regarding what he deems an appropriate measure of a woman's worth.

The takeaway being that he is a sad, sad little man who finds it necessary to push others down in order to feel valuable himself.

CasterGilgamesh4 votes

This really can't be called bitching.

ModKnightsKemplar2 votes

Great suggestion.

lightdragoon882 votes

I wouldn't mind seeing the names switch around.

Kuroi862 votes

Wow, I actually like this idea. +1

Tis a nice day1 votes

It's because "End of the line" was used as a special shell in the cinematic: http://imgur.com/DYWwFmC

Lost R5 votes

I know all this, and the fact that it is a SPECIAL shell further solidifies my point that it should swap names with R.

Lost R1 votes

Eventually a red post will HAVE to respond, right?

RIGHT?!

Daxterr1 votes

I think this is a much better idea than rat-a-tat-t-at was for Twitch . I still haven't forgiven Riot for that.

Corrupto1231 votes

Am I the only one who was reminded of GTA San Andreas when I read that?

Stompburger1 votes

Good thought! I think it's much cooler and more thematic this way. Please look at this Riot!

Ironclad Dragon1 votes

It'd make sense if Q was called Collateral Damage because it instantly detonates on terrain.

Lost R1 votes

Collateral damage means to cause unintended damage, injury or death caused by an action.

Ironclad Dragon1 votes

Aw, come on, man. I support your idea...

Gallowgrim1 votes

I really like the name change suggestion.

And the Graves changes in general. Looking forward to giving them a spin.

Sinlaire1 votes

you have my vote and my bump

Jaghatai1 votes

I think the name swap would be appropriate

YOU BEEN WARNED1 votes

I expected this to be a typical child on boards QQing about something irrelevant.

I was impressed.

+1

ShatoSummoner1 votes

The range on it is pretty on par with his ult, and it does a pretty big chunk of damage. But yeah, end of the line would fit better for his ult. I feel like they could just swap names and it would fit. Its called end of the line, though, because it throws a line of gunpowder with a square aoe at the end. So...idk.

Lost R1 votes

Bumping again. Really hoping a Rioter has seen this.

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