I miss buying guardian angel on AP carries

koshkyra·Aug 6, 2018·20 votes·9,072 views

Yeah i can just get zhonyas, but that comes with way less defensive stats than old GA used to, and the passive is less reliable in deadly situations (it can be prevented with cc, you might die too fast before you can pop it, etc.)

(Old GA had 60 armor/45 mr. Zhonyas has 45 armor/0 mr.)

It felt really good having a pure defensive item in my inventory and not just an offensive item that happens to have slight defensive stats on it. I don't know why they had to make one of the most flexible defensive items in the game exclusive to AD champions but i really think this was a shitty idea and it should be reverted.

35 Comments

Cloud273Aug 6, 201821 votes

I miss when guardian angel used to be a defensive item instead of an offensive one.

SkullgettiAug 6, 20189 votes

I hate the fact that Guardian's angel is no longer a "risk not doing enough damage to get an extra life" item anymore and instead became a "become even more annoying to deal with if you're fed" item

koshkyraAug 6, 20186 votes

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I hate the fact that Guardian's angel is no longer a "risk not doing enough damage to get an extra life" item anymore and instead became a "become even more annoying to deal with if you're fed" item

i want this pinned

FrozenFrostFyreAug 6, 20188 votes

I miss buying banshee on adc's. two sides to every coin. you could always buy 1 tank item it helps a ton more than you'd think. i frequently buy randuins it's an amazing item for dealing with assassins/adc's.

TheSingularityAug 6, 20182 votes

Tbh you still have item 3139 and potentially item 3814 . If you're obscenely desperate item 3065 is always an option and it'll boost ur life steal

wildfox99Aug 6, 20184 votes

Ashe item 3075 [slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

SEKAIAug 6, 20189 votes

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I miss buying banshee on adc's. two sides to every coin. you could always buy 1 tank item it helps a ton more than you'd think. i frequently buy randuins it's an amazing item for dealing with assassins/adc's.

ADCs have Edge of Night and Maw of Malmortius, and loosely Mercurial Scimitar.

So not "two sides to every coin".

AirKingNeoAug 6, 20182 votes

When do ADCs have Edge of Night?

SEKAIAug 6, 20185 votes

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When do ADCs have Edge of Night?

When some ADCs build lethality, which dates back to as early as when lethality was first introduced.

Daddy AntsAug 6, 20183 votes

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When do ADCs have Edge of Night?

I haven't seen an ADC build Edge of Night in a long time.

Wacky9Aug 6, 20181 votes

It's good on Jhin and MF. I've seen them take it 3rd or 4th item especially against mage heavy teams.

LordGeovanniAug 6, 20181 votes

and mages have item 3102 item 3157 an item 3040 massive defensive buffs that no one else can effectively build

SEKAIAug 7, 20181 votes

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and mages have an massive defensive buffs that no one else can effectively build

There are only like 3 mages in the entire game who can use item 3040 due to the stacking requirement of item 3003 . So item 3102 and item 3157 at most.

And since AD already has an equivalent of the former ( item 3814 item 3156 ) and sort of for the latter ( item 3139 ), while AP has no equivalent of a passive "2nd chance" item like item 3026 that AD has, that's the point of this thread.

LordGeovanniAug 8, 20181 votes

please first item item 3070 into item 3027 and i usually get the tear stacked by 18 minutes. you can easily beat that if you get item 3003 first item. Not to mention that is more than worth its gold on intial buy while only getting stronger as you play longer and it gets a shield when it evolves into item 3040 . People ignore the strongest Ap item in the game barr item 3089 due to it being able to stack up so they figure because they arent getting the full effect of it right away that they arent still getting what its worth in gold compared to any other item which is just not true. Although item 3102 item 3157 isnt common its still very easy to build and play with.

item 3156 is not equal to item 3102 not only does maw have worse stats it isnt gonna save you from taking damage just because its there although it saves people some times it rarely even stops damage and still has shield left after because that only happens versus tanks. Maw wont save you from a syndra ult you still dead throught that or a veigar ult but Banshees will save you.

Another thing dont say Ad has this and Ad has that

Ad champions have several diffrent styles and fighters and assassins have access the adc items the same way that mages do. in fact mages have better access to adc items than assassins and fighters do because all it takes to make adc items good is to have a ranged auto attack while assassins and fighters will not only not do their job because they will take too long they will then die because they take too long and dont have any defenses.

Fighters doesnt have an equivalent of item 3026 G A is only good for adcs and assassins adcs because they dont get foucsed due to their range and assassins because by time they get killed their job is already done and the revive is only to wait for the rest of the team to follow up while they revive for them to walk out. Mages have much better access to GA than fighters they can just buy it and use it for the revive it doesnt need to scale with ap for them to buy it. It will work well on them because like adcs they stand at a range that they cant be focused by multiple people so at most one guy dives them and they survive it long enough to get a combo off killing them or almost killing them and getting killed after only to be revived

artcrime2999Aug 6, 20187 votes

I miss force of Nature

CppLAug 6, 20182 votes

Well ap carrys has zhonyas ,so i guess they not allowed to have anything else.

Zero Skill TankAug 6, 20181 votes

So AP champions are not allowed to have anything good because they have Zhonya's... which is far inferior not only to GA, but also to Mercurial Scimitar? Nonsense.

The real reason why AP defensive options are kept far inferior is that champions with the longest range in the game are some of the AP carries, and abundance of denfense options made them retarded to deal with (i.e. old school Mejai-Zhonyas-GA Lux).

Colton147Aug 6, 20181 votes

Zilean item 3070

LordGeovanniAug 6, 20181 votes

w effecting R. Made it so that you had to use w as much as possible but people could engage on you off of it so you had to think about spamming w to get r back up and stacking item 3070 and saving it to deal burst damage with the double bomb combo or running away when you getting jumped on.

VoraciousXAug 6, 20181 votes

I was pretty sure old GA had 80 armor and 80 MR. Apparently it was 80/45 and then got nerfed a bunch over the years. Oh well, either way I've been saying this for a while now and no one hardly seems to care. It was the reason for most of the damage creep. Banshee's/GA/Abyssal Scepter reworks were turning points in damage creep to insane levels because most people don't buy a full defensive item as their last purchase.

SugeMinPikkAug 6, 20181 votes

My favorite thing was when I'd get it immediately after Mejai's

Then a Deathcap

fun times...

TotalJerkAug 6, 20181 votes

I miss buying Banshee's veil 6th on ADCs, too. IMO part of the reason damage feels so high is that defensive itemization on carries has been increasingly gimped, forcing them to eschew more survivability and build more damage. That's a big part of why carries are both deadlier and more fragile.

La BelloAug 6, 20181 votes

If you guys get to buy GA marksmen should get to buy Zhonyas.

GA is nice but Zhonya's when used properly is literally the BEST defensive item in the game one of the strongest "counterplay" options.

Cptn Han SoloQAug 6, 20183 votes

I hate replies like this. Marksman can't do anything with zhonyas. AP champs use the time in stases to get their cd's back, a marksman has no use for that, a Zhonyas for marksman would be a god damn noob trap.

LordGeovanniAug 6, 20182 votes

Marksmen can use it to get cooldowns back just like mages and they can use it to wait for allies to peel for them. Any class can find good uses for zhonyas just like any class can find good uses for Ga even tanks and fighters. (being that ga was originally a tank/ fighter item)

La BelloAug 6, 20181 votes

Zhonya's is like.

the last line of defense against lategame assassins.

GA wont keep a 6 slotted Rengar from instagibbing you BUT a well timed zhonyas can. Also protects from Fizz shark Zed Deathmark Evelynn engage Nocturne ult Lee Sin Insec Master Yi dives Kennen flash ult Syndra ult

seriously if you are playing marksmen properly which means you directly in the middle of your team (kinda like a elephant herd protecting its young) it makes diving you next to impossible. Often the measly 40 armor on GA (60 if you also got tabi's) will not be enough to keep you alive for long. usually you just get popped then get popped again once you revive

LordGeovanniAug 7, 20181 votes

This is funny because mages sit in the exact same position adcs sit in.

Cptn Han SoloQAug 7, 20181 votes

Marksman cooldowns aren't relevant. There are like 3 ADC at BEST that can get an cd back that is somewhat important enough to justify this buy. [Ezreal e, Kai'sa evolved e, ... I can't even come up with a third one on the spot] People seem to love to ingore that after the stasis u are alone in the fcking dark and u either onehit whatever is next to u trying to one hit u, or u are toast. Just funny how the whole NA part seems to not get how ADC work. tldr. Positioning is EVERYTHING fcking urself over with an Zhonyas is just that, it would literally be soft inting, might aswell take ur hand from the mouse and see how far u go with it.

LordGeovanniAug 8, 20181 votes

Good thing tons of adcs have broken excape abilites that often enough when they are just about to die could have been2-4 seconds away Ashe Caitlyn Draven Ezreal Graves (though its more of double up on aggression all of his abilites are very impactful and his passive runs off of a cooldown stasis would be really strong on graves) Jinx Kaisa Kalista Kindred Quinn I can think of a situation where every adc could have used zhonyas to wait for abilites to help them either run away or turn on an enemy but adcs dont move alone and them having a stasis wouldnt change that by using the stasis they can cause the enemy to drop agro on them and jump on another ally. you can also use the stasis not just to wait for your own cooldowns but to dodge enemy spells much like how mages already do dodging zeds Ult proc just dodging regular skills so that they miss and when you come out of stasis they are still on cooldown while your spells arent. etc. that is just the adc class Fighters would also like access to stasis so do tank assassins and supports since we want every effect that another class of items has just because it exists.

AhrisAug 6, 20182 votes

You guys have QSS though which is much better than zhonyas.

As well as hexdrinker!

Wacky9Aug 6, 20182 votes

You guys have stopwatch. That's Zhonyas for adcs. It costs 600 gold, which is chump change to a good marksman.

ZenaAug 6, 20181 votes

Always used to buy old GA on Azir as 3rd item

LordGeovanniAug 6, 20181 votes

I miss GA on bruisers 50% of base hp is dog shit only mages and adcs have massive base hp and only adcs mages and ap assassins have defenses and kits so good that they dont have to build any defensive stat at all and do well. bruisers are excepted to buy 2 hp items to match mage base hp and more just to survive.

Giga BaboonAug 6, 20181 votes

Remember when they gave hourglass to AD champions and told AP champions to go suck a dick.

Good times.

The Yetii RiderAug 6, 20181 votes

It felt really good having a pure defensive item in my inventory.

Ah, but you can still do that. Seriously, mages want item diversity? It's called item 3143 item 3065 item 3083 item 3068 ...you can build any of these, you know.