when I started playing AoS, Dota Allstars then LoL years ago...

Fraggleroc·Feb 10, 2018·1 votes·434 views

when I first got into Mobas 7yrs ago... I was filled with anticipation- "Wow! so many different champions to play with!- the strategies are almost infinite! my hopes/vision for the game - so much potential in terms of competitive strategies... champion picks will be crazy!"

Fast forward 7yrs later- LCK : oh.. these 10 champs... next game... ermm ok, the same champs again?! OH HEY! this guy picked a crazy rare champ! ... wait a min... oh thats the only change, rest of the team comp is still the same... now bans for next game.. is the same Picks now.. nevermind zzz yawn... /ResidentSleeper

The game is very different from what I envisioned 7yrs ago.

pardon my english

10 Comments

ZephyrDrakeFeb 10, 20181 votes

oh you mean like every single competitive video game ever made?

Kai GuyFeb 10, 20181 votes

SSBB tourney.. Is meta knight banned? No? well I know who wins this prize pool.

anyhow blame the players, they are the ones who religiously enforce metas in mobas.

ZephyrDrakeFeb 10, 20181 votes

[{quoted}](name=Kai Guy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Omgys8Oa,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2018-02-10T09:23:29.164+0000)

SSBB tourney.. Is meta knight banned? No? well I know who wins this prize pool.

anyhow blame the players, they are the ones who religiously enforce metas in mobas.

it's like they are trying to win or something... who knew that people want to win in a competitive setting and tat they will use whatever it is that is the strongest and therefore giving them the highest chances of winning... this happens in every single competitive game, not even just video games even real life sports are the same. You get teams who want to have the best players on their teams or really up and coming ones... or people the best possible decks in card games. People will try their hardest to win when it comes to a competitive setting which sucks for those that don't care about it but that's just how it is

HaIlMonitorFeb 10, 20181 votes

or people the best possible decks in card games.

Something with that though is, and especially the cry babies in magic ( I have played for years), people want to be able to play any deck and have a chance at winning. I think league players kind of come in two parts, the freelo players and the ones that want to be able to pick Ziggs in bot and get flamed.

I don't know for sure what the masses want, but this game seems to have the same attitude, or at least the forums, that they don't want oppressive classes, heroes, roles. They want to be able to play anything. Which in turn would make pro play more about individual players instead all performing well on a team instead of who has the best death-ball meaning more exciting picks.

Time after time Riot will change some stuff really fast, but other things like major shifts in metas that are overall dominate will often times stay around like Ardent censor, Assassins in early 2017, Lee sin being the poster boy jungler, ect, for a long time and riot doesnt seem to mind.

You get teams who want to have the best players on their teams or really up and coming ones

Now I personally think faker was really out of touch at worlds in general, but a lot of people feel like he is still the best pro in the game. But this meta doesnt let him show off like it did in Season 5 and before when he would actually carry his team. Right now its a communication and coaching staff game and it has been through all of worlds.

https://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/ESPORTSTMNT06/551575?gameHash=26f865c4d71fa292&tab=overview https://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/ESPORTSTMNT06/551862?gameHash=2aa0ef97d93e14d1&tab=overview

Like why is he still picking Galio just last week lol. They won a game he was on a play maker, but lost every game he was on Galio...

ZephyrDrakeFeb 10, 20181 votes

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Something with that though is, and especially the cry babies in magic ( I have played for years), people want to be able to play any deck and have a chance at winning. I think league players kind of come in two parts, the freelo players and the ones that want to be able to pick Ziggs in bot and get flamed.

I don't know for sure what the masses want, but this game seems to have the same attitude, or at least the forums, that they don't want oppressive classes, heroes, roles. They want to be able to play anything. Which in turn would make pro play more about individual players instead all performing well on a team instead of who has the best death-ball meaning more exciting picks.

Time after time Riot will change some stuff really fast, but other things like major shifts in metas that are overall dominate will often times stay around like Ardent censor, Assassins in early 2017, Lee sin being the poster boy jungler, ect, for a long time and riot doesnt seem to mind.

Now I personally think faker was really out of touch at worlds in general, but a lot of people feel like he is still the best pro in the game. But this meta doesnt let him show off like it did in Season 5 and before when he would actually carry his team. Right now its a communication and coaching staff game and it has been through all of worlds.

https://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/ESPORTSTMNT06/551575?gameHash=26f865c4d71fa292&tab=overview https://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/ESPORTSTMNT06/551862?gameHash=2aa0ef97d93e14d1&tab=overview

Like why is he still picking Galio just last week lol. They won a game he was on a play maker, but lost every game he was on Galio...

i have zero idea what this has to do at all with what i said...

First, people want to pick whatever they want and guess what? they can. Nobody is stopping you, as long as you are trying to win you don't have to pick what is meta. You want to play that Soraka jungle? go ahead nobody is going to stop you or would be able to. They can complain all they want but that doesn't change the fact that as long as you are actually trying nothing will happen... unless you are being a douche. You want to know something? it doesn't matter what the meta is LCS, LCK and all those "competitive" leagues will always play slow no matter what, will always play this very safe champions with this very risk adverse strategies. This meta has confirmed this in every single way. Snowballing games that tend to end at 20 mins, 30 mins in SoloQ? competitive games? 40+ mins so often like nothing changed unless it's a team that is that much better than whoever is that they are playing against.

Faker has done plenty of very questionable things so far this season. I wouldn't consider him to be one of the best. This is not the meta making him be unable to show off it's him making terrible decision after terrible decision that is preventing him from showing off. He can still have those great moments but this season? the way he is actually playing and the things he has done he is leaving me pretty unimpressed. Also he is picking Galio because Galio is pretty damn good right now, specially in competitive where you can take advantage of his ult to assist side lanes. If you notice something about the way Galio is usually built in competitive is more often than not pure AP and not tank nor half tank half AP

FragglerocFeb 10, 20181 votes

[{quoted}](name=Kai Guy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Omgys8Oa,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2018-02-10T09:23:29.164+0000)

SSBB tourney.. Is meta knight banned? No? well I know who wins this prize pool.

anyhow blame the players, they are the ones who religiously enforce metas in mobas.

SSBB is a pretty "static" game compared to LoL. There r seldom updates to SSBB from what I know...

LoL patches every 2 weeks and still metas are enforced over whole seasons.

Kai GuyFeb 10, 20181 votes

Brawl did not have patches if I reacall so game was static as it comes. Same for SSB or Melee. That being said, they had all had a clear meta due to kits and champion individuality.