Huge Teemo and AP Shaco Nerf

Pink Ward·11/14/2015, 9:40:47 AM·28 votes·3,243 views

With the change to Oracle Lens it completely nerfs both Shaco and Teemo. Most Invisible champions have a better chance to get away from danger now due to the change, but it completely nerfs Shaco boxes and Teemo strooms. My suggestion would be to bring back the old Oracle lens as another trinket with its old effect, but keeping the current one to do it's current effects minus showing traps. I think people would still buy both just in different situations. A big dilemma people face at the moment is not having a slot for pinkwards in the late game for invisible champions like vayne, eve, shaco, rengar and are forced to only use aoe's to kill them or stop them. Bringing back the old Oracle lens will give people the choice of buying the new item for clearing wards in aoe's around them, showing champions in aoes around them without completely revealing them, or buying the old item for showing invisible champs and verus traps when needed. I am incredibly biased on this subject because it is a huge nerf to my playstlye, but I also think it's a reasonable change/addition.

33 Comments

Teemo or Feedmo11/14/2015, 11:55:27 AM7 votes

upvoted for being a teemo thread!

teemo is love! teemo is life!

OperationDEEZ111/14/2015, 2:39:57 PM5 votes

Well nobody likes or cares about Shaco or anyone who plays him.

TurquoiseYoshi11/14/2015, 5:01:42 PM2 votes

Shaco is fine.

Teemo, on the other hand, has gotten pretty much gutted with the Hurricane changes, so he might need a look.

runedara11/14/2015, 4:01:31 PM1 votes

I'm fine with less ap shacos. Don't think it's a very good build. As far as teemo they need to rework him he's in a bad spot now.

Penta Penguin11/14/2015, 4:36:46 PM1 votes

I haven't played Teemo yet on the new patch but there has always been red sweepers to disable and kill shrooms

I"m not sure how this changes anything

BD Wilton11/14/2015, 5:17:57 PM1 votes

Riot nerfs half my mains across the board while buffing Yas...really?

junglerboy1611/14/2015, 6:49:01 PM1 votes

It is healthier for there to be stronger counterplay against their traps than to have almost no counterplay.

This means that the traps can be buffed to be effective again without becoming oppressive, where before they were just annoying.

Shac Norris11/14/2015, 7:21:39 PM1 votes

Thank you for sharing my point of view, Pink Ward. As you can judge by my name, i actually main ap Shaco and actually care about anything that adds to Shaco's downsides

Finally someone who understand -.-... -- --

CoolKnightST11/14/2015, 7:32:52 PM1 votes

The one complains it's a nerf, the other one complains it's a buff. To make some things clear:

  • item 3364 is a nerf towards stealth champions counterplay. It won't reveal them anymore so even if you see the red. This won't prevent them from killing you. This makes stealth champions stronger against it. This mostly effects the verry lategame when their is no room anymore for pink wards.
  • item 2043 is a buff towards stealth champions counterplay. The cheaper pinks allows to counter these champions in the midgame

The changes have so their pros & coin effects. The changes are fine. Mostly because the champions you mention Shaco & Teemo are the ones that will get reworked add some point.

Shac Norris11/19/2015, 2:49:09 AM1 votes

This post had double/triple the upvotes 2 days ago, some people apparently like to downvote anything Shaco-related.

Probably the kind of people that don't build any magic resist then complain when you start 2 shotting them.

Ha Yuri Zahard11/14/2015, 10:22:43 AM1 votes

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Calabok11/19/2015, 2:55:28 AM1 votes

the only teemo and shaco is a dead teemo and shaco

Ghi11/14/2015, 1:30:42 PM1 votes

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Owltears11/14/2015, 3:32:40 PM1 votes

Finally a Teemo thread that I can upvote, and not feel like a dick about! I totally get what you mean, that stinking trinket makes Teemo useless when I played him.