I don't care who you are. When you jungle, you're supposed to take damage (at least at early levels). You're not supposed to have full health after clearing blue/red/whatever you start. Shaco needs to be nerfed in some way. He should feel the pain that other junglers feel while clearing camps.
DrCyanide4 votesWant all your enemy Shaco's to take damage? Here's how you do it.
Walk into the blue/red pit 10 seconds before it spawns.
Congradulations! Shaco now has an ability which won't help him with his clear, he'll have to start without a leash (because it's too late to call for help), you've minimized the potential of a level 2 invade on your jungle, and you've drawn attention away from your ADC in teamfights (because you were the piece of crap that ruined his early game, he wants you to die first)! You're like the MVP of the game, and it's only the first 2 minutes of the game!
The last player that did this to me was a Nautilus, who stayed in the pit just long enough to trigger the boxes, then he flashed over the back wall and got out scott free. What could I do? Nothing! My mid was already in mid lane, my bot was already in bot lane, no one could help me and no spells or abilities that I had would help me get revenge for him spoiling my first clear. But that's the counterplay to Shaco's damage free start.
Cloud2731 votesWant all your enemy Shaco's to take damage? Here's how you do it.
Congradulations! Shaco now has an ability which won't help him with his clear, he'll have to start without a leash (because it's too late to call for help), you've minimized the potential of a level 2 invade on your jungle, and you've drawn attention away from your ADC in teamfights (because you were the piece of crap that ruined his early game, he wants you to die first)! You're like the MVP of the game, and it's only the first 2 minutes of the game!
The last player that did this to me was a Nautilus, who stayed in the pit just long enough to trigger the boxes, then he flashed over the back wall and got out scott free. What could I do? Nothing! My mid was already in mid lane, my bot was already in bot lane, no one could help me and no spells or abilities that I had would help me get revenge for him spoiling my first clear. But that's the counterplay to Shaco's damage free start.
Oh wow, he ONLY had to burn his flash. He TOTALLY won that trade.
DrCyanide1 votesYes, he actually did.
He set me back in health, which set me back in ganks, which set me back in kills/assists, which set me back in items. He made the entire rest of the 30 minute hand significantly harder by using a 5 minute cooldown Summoner Spell.
Contrast this to other uses of Flash, which earn an advantage for a minute or so.
TehNACHO2 votesSo uhh, have you ever bothered to actually play Shaco?
FHMarshy2 voteshave you ever played shaco before? lmfao
Kirafey1 votesIv'e only seen something of this sort done by a skill-full set of players; it isn't like Build Search Riven uber armor ect. All I think is that his clearing speed is ridiculously high.
Left Hook Larry1 votesHe does take damage lol. Even in his first clear he still takes damage. Just not as much as others. Have you ever played him?
Also after his first clear his clear is not that great. You can only use one box for other clears unlike your first one.
Only bronze/silver players would ever complain about Shaco. He literally has one of the most useless late games and his game relies so much on whether or not he gets fed. High risk, high reward champion.
Cloud2731 votes[{quoted}](name=Volibear Is OP,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=OfBI8aeb,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2015-07-16T20:32:21.817+0000)
He does take damage lol. Even in his first clear he still takes damage. Just not as much as others. Have you ever played him?
Also after his first clear his clear is not that great. You can only use one box for other clears unlike your first one.
Only bronze/silver players would ever complain about Shaco. He literally has one of the most useless late games and his game relies so much on whether or not he gets fed. High risk, high reward champion.
Stealth is NEVER useless, especially late game. And even if he does take damage, it's an extremely small amount. He deserves to suffer more while clearing camps. Make his boxes easier to destroy or something.
Left Hook Larry1 votesStealth IS useless if he doesn't do anything. Late game he gets 4 shot and peeled extremely easy. If he doesn't end the game early he will be a burden to his team.
Also he's not in stealth ALWAYS. Late game it's easier to come by pink wards/ sweeping lens, which makes his stealth nonexistant
Cloud2731 votes[{quoted}](name=Volibear Is OP,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=OfBI8aeb,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2015-07-16T21:27:40.454+0000)
Stealth IS useless if he doesn't do anything. Late game he gets 4 shot and peeled extremely easy. If he doesn't end the game early he will be a burden to his team.
Also he's not in stealth ALWAYS. Late game it's easier to come by pink wards/ sweeping lens, which makes his stealth nonexistant
It has like a 12 second cooldown. And it lasts for a fairly long time. He's stealthed a lot more than other champs with stealth.
Left Hook Larry1 votesHe only uses it to engage. If you ward his jungle you will know where he is always unlike Eve
Poptart Evelynn1 votesGo jungle him right now. Please, in a custom then come back, and think about what you just wrote.
insaiyanbacca1 votesthen how come warwick can come out of a full clear with full hp? or sion? they both can clear the entire jungle twice and end those clears with full hp if you play them right. and shaco is an early game jungler not being able to get through first clear like that as an early game assassin jungler would mean hes entirely useless and irreverent
Cloud2731 votesthen how come warwick can come out of a full clear with full hp? or sion? they both can clear the entire jungle twice and end those clears with full hp if you play them right. and shaco is an early game jungler not being able to get through first clear like that as an early game assassin jungler would mean hes entirely useless and irreverent
Warwick and Sion don't have stealth
insaiyanbacca1 votesthey dont need it to survive
miahixx1 votesElise , Shaco ,fiddle,ww can clear 1 camp with 0 hp losed so i think it's ok. shaco have strong early game , but he fall in late so that's ok that u lose early
