Only Riposte and Lunge need tweaking on Fiora.

WoonStruck··2 votes·409 views

Right now Fiora is downright oppressive to a huge portion of the cast. Its not because of the basis of her kit. Its two abilities that make her entirely overbearing in lane. Four aspects of them in total.

Riposte by concept is an interesting and great ability...but using it as an engage is not by concept what a parry should be able to do. Most fioras lunge to a minion->parry as poke and if it hits, go in for your vital with that lunge reset, since for some ungodly reason minions reset lunge, then spam vitals on you getting lunge resets on the way. You basically can't travel past the first 1/3 of your lane or she will kill you unless she's terrible as far too many champions.

First off, if a champion doesn't damage her (or use damageless CC like Cocoon), Riposte should not have any effect at all. To anyone or anything. This is better design and more thematic.

Second, the MS slow needs to scale with level. It makes hitting her vitals far too trivial, and it being a level 1 skill until after 13 and making her as oppressive as she is...it just needs to scale with level. Hell, 10/20/30/40/50 would be what I'd consider. Vitals should not be as trivial to repeatedly proc as they are with so little investment from this ability being used offensively.

Third, the AS slow needs to go entirely. There's no reason why its there (especially at 50 fucking percent). Fiora is not supposed to be an in-your-face bruiser. She's supposed to be master duelist. Someone who strikes her opponents vitals repeatedly to gain advantages, backs off, bides her time, and goes in again. However, extended fights, just bashing on someone is what this skill allows you to do to win. Its not thematic, and its not balanced.

Fourth, Lunge needs to not have reduced cooldown if it hits a minion, or at the very least, if it does not kill a minion.

All of these factors currently make her trivial to play in lane. Considering the rewards she gets for proccing her vitals, she should not be able to repeatedly hit them and chase while hitting them off of stuff that the majority of champions cannot work around. Especially with how spammy and low mana all of her spells are.

Right now she is preventing a huge number of champions from being played, basically. You pick them, you WILL feed Fiora, or you will not have any farm and get repeatedly dove with their jungler. That is not right, and these changes will remove the abuse of her laning without preventing her from hitting her stride, embodying her theme, or being a successful champion in general.

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VęX1 votes

I dont like the way you present your vote in being you know what is right and that is that.

WoonStruck1 votes

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I dont like the way you present your vote in being you know what is right and that is that.

I don't like you believing she's fine as she is either.

She needs changes, and anything else will keep the broken aspects of the kit, just lowering values to the point where she basically won't function.

Her laning pattern is all that really needs changing, and what I said addresses that without hitting her too hard.

VęX1 votes

I main her and I believe her w could use some fixing. Dont make assumptions of my opinions just give other people a chance to make their opinions before you make them for us.

WoonStruck1 votes

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I main her and I believe her w could use some fixing. Dont make assumptions of my opinions just give other people a chance to make their opinions before you make them for us.

I've seen you state that she's balanced before.

Weiner the Pooh1 votes

No. For one how u said Fioras poke is bad, no one does it like that. And your thoughts on Q are so dumb. Q is vital to her success, when she first came out q had a 2 second higher cd and she was awful. Also she needs the as slow on W, I agree it should scale with level but it should not be removed entirely.

WoonStruck1 votes

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No. For one how u said Fioras poke is bad, no one does it like that. And your thoughts on Q are so dumb. Q is vital to her success, when she first came out q had a 2 second higher cd and she was awful. Also she needs the as slow on W, I agree it should scale with level but it should not be removed entirely.

Okay, tell me why she needs the AS slow.

Then tell me how her still getting full resets if she kills a minion or hits a champion would make her awful. It means she can't go in whenever she wants, while effectively ignoring creep damage if she doesn't over-stay because vital heals, just because someone had the audacity to try to CS against her. Windows of power in lane are not a bad thing. Don't try to play it off like it is when Fiora has too many free things handed to her extremely rewarding kit.

Weiner the Pooh1 votes

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Okay, tell me why she needs the AS slow.

Then tell me how her still getting full resets if she kills a minion or hits a champion would make her awful. It means she can't go in whenever she wants, while effectively ignoring creep damage if she doesn't over-stay because vital heals, just because someone had the audacity to try to CS against her. Windows of power in lane are not a bad thing. Don't try to play it off like it is when Fiora has too many free things handed to her extremely rewarding kit.

She needs the slow for fighting champs like tryndamere, and you make Q sound far more op than it is.

WoonStruck1 votes

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She needs the slow for fighting champs like tryndamere, and you make Q sound far more op than it is.

How do I make Q sound far more OP than it is? Imagine if Irelia got resets for hitting minions or champions, as opposed to just last hits.

And why does she need something specifically to fight Tryn or other aut-reliant champions when she already has tools to win without going into a slug-fest? Really. Tell me why she should outpace them in so many other ways and still reliably beat them if it comes to a slug-fest.

Weiner the Pooh1 votes

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How do I make Q sound far more OP than it is? Imagine if Irelia got resets for hitting minions or champions, as opposed to just last hits.

And why does she need something specifically to fight Tryn or other aut-reliant champions when she already has tools to win without going into a slug-fest? Really. Tell me why she should outpace them in so many other ways and still reliably beat them if it comes to a slug-fest.

Irelias is totally different, it's range is 300 higher and it's point and click, there not the same at all.

MissingKayo1 votes

What a loaded question for the poll.

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