Kennen is pretty much a worse version of Vladimir with a mini-stun

Yenn··1 votes·1,510 views

Can we see some of his early game bullying toned down, in exchange for more reliability?

Aside from 1/3 of the roster hard countering Kennen, Vladimir does a better job in every area aside from CC, and even then, Kennen's CC isn't amazing because of his other shortcomings.

  • Survivability: he needs to get into the middle of the enemy team and stay there, but only has one incredibly weak survival tool. Compared to Vladimir, who gets a ton of free health, a massive heal, and untargetability. +10 armor/magic resist is useless and doesn't compare.

  • Mobility: it's all tied up in a short movement speed buff (which also drains his energy), and he has no form of slow or CC resistance, so he's easily stopped. He needs it to get into the middle of the enemy carries, but Vladimir can do this much easier with the Q movement speed + buff W proccing Phase Rush, while being completely unstoppable.

  • Damage: while his base and ratios are slightly higher, he needs to stay on top of his target to deal it, and his kit doesn't facilitate this. His overall AP is also significantly lower, because he's forced into building survivability to cover for the lack of it in his kit. Vladimir is able to just rush pure AP, which allows him to easily one shot carries, because his kit gives him so much built-in survivability.

  • Reliability: Vladimir completely shits on Kennen here. Kennen's full damage relies on him making physical contact with his target, landing his skill shots on that target, and also staying on top of the target. This is all incredibly hard to do, and often impossible, because the enemy champions' kits don't allow it (i.e. via disengages, mobility, CC, body blocking your Q). Vladimir only needs to get on top of the target briefly with his W, and all of his damage comes at once and is entirely unavoidable.

  • Trading: Kennen loses every trade, because he has no sustain in his kit and his single target damage is low. He only actually wins against champions who have no way to retaliate against him; once damage is dealt, it sticks until he recalls. This is a major problem, given that he doesn't win burst fights and has to get in close range to do full damage.

I really don't see any reason to play Kennen over Vladimir. The mini-stun doesn't warrant the all around lower reliability and lack of synergy in his kit.

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Yenn1 votes

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Fun fact, Kennen has a higher win rate then Vlad at literally every elo globally.

https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/iron/grid/

https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/bronze/grid/

https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/silver/grid/

https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/gold/grid/

https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/platinum/plus/grid/

https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/diamond/plus/grid/

https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/master/plus/grid/

He also see just as much pro play, if not more, but you know Kennen is clearly "bad."

Nice, cherry picking one of the least reliable sites for statistics.

But if you want to look into those, you'll see that Kennen has 6% pick rate compared to Vladimir's 15% pick rate. Kennen's win rate is the result of a low number of people playing him, and Vladimir's is offset by people picking him 'because he's OP.' If you look further into it, you'll see that the graph for win rate vs. game duration makes absolutely no sense.

Kennen does not perform well outside of his lane in the early game, and generally becomes stronger as the game progresses and he gets his core build (i.e. Hourglass). His win rate is the highest at 15 minutes, when he's still in the laning phase, and drops the longer the game goes on. He doesn't get Hourglass until 20 minutes on average.

He has no impact on the game and his win rate is largely because he doesn't lose the early game. The win rate is basically Kennen getting carried while his team mates win in the early game, because he's a safe pick.

And that's also the reason he sees literally any pro play: because he's a safe pick. He doesn't carry games and doesn't have a huge impact, but he also doesn't have many bad match ups.

Jamaree3 votes

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Nice, cherry picking one of the least reliable sites for statistics.

Ok, what site am I allowed to use then?

But if you want to look into those, you'll see that Kennen has 6% pick rate compared to Vladimir's 15% pick rate. Kennen's win rate is the result of a low number of people playing him, and Vladimir's is offset by people picking him 'because he's OP.' If you look further into it, you'll see that the graph for win rate vs. game duration makes absolutely no sense.

I ask again, what site am I allowed to use then?

Kennen does not perform well outside of his lane in the early game, and generally becomes stronger as the game progresses and he gets his core build (i.e. Hourglass). His win rate is the highest at 15 minutes, when he's still in the laning phase, and drops the longer the game goes on. He doesn't get Hourglass until 20 minutes on average.

Ok and?

He has no impact on the game and his win rate is largely because he doesn't lose the early game. The win rate is basically Kennen getting carried while his team mates win in the early game, because he's a safe pick.

No impact in the game, good enough for the best players in the world.

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And that's also the reason he sees literally any pro play: because he's a safe pick. He doesn't carry games and doesn't have a huge impact, but he also doesn't have many bad match ups.

So then he is fine then what? Are you telling me that if a champion isn't carrying, they need buffs, what kind of bias slanted bullshit is this?

P4ppino1 votes

Not a mini stun, and he can proc it multiple times during a fight. Kennen is better early game, vlad is better late game.

Yenn1 votes

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Not a mini stun, and he can proc it multiple times during a fight. Kennen is better early game, vlad is better late game.

Kennen's stun has diminishing returns if he procs it multiple times, and it will normally only proc twice on a single target.

Kennen's early game also doesn't matter, because he's stuck AFKing at top lane until he completes Hourglass. He can bully his opponent, but by the time he's completed Hourglass, Vladimir has hit his powerspike and shits on him.

jng dif victim1 votes

to be honest everything about these champions which makes the broken is that people can pick them top lane. kennen mid is not that broken because he will be against another mage like himself. i think what actually riot needs to do is doing somthing that people dont abuse mages or ADCs like Cassiopia/Kennen/Vlad/malzahar/lucian/vayne/lissandra/viktor/ryze TOP. if they do somthing that everyone who wants play these champion go mid vs another mage it helps alot. im suffering so hard this season top lane i face an actual top lane champion once per 10 game im always against lucian top vayne top vlad top cassiopia top .... etc . and all of my main and favorite champions are meele champions that made for toplane but every game im suffering and not having fun and getting tilted because of that. BUT WE ALL KNOW RIOT DOEST GIVE A SINGLE SHIT

xDogMeatx1 votes

nah kiting champs are cowardly all together. real fighters are the ones allow the fight/trades to happen. not no "MEH i poke you" (throws weak azz pebble at target till death) then LOL OUTPLAYED. yes well played Riot real skill happened right there. ohhhh boy the satisfaction when i land all my abilities on their cowardly butts over and over again not to mention building MS/tanacity/resists vs those types of champs negates that cowardly advantage they have. great example would be warwick vs trydemere early like at level 1 and 2. they both know their win conditions yet its very dependent on each others RNG/skill as in the mentality when to go for extended trade and survive to avoid conqueror proc.

ThıghConnoısseur1 votes

MINI STUN?????

[zombie-brand-mindblown]

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