1: REMOVE WARDJUMPS so that he actually has to think about his gankpaths and can't just W-E-R-QQ by casually walking up.
2: REDUCE Q TRAVEL SPEED so R-Q has actual counterplay
That's going to affect the overloaded parts of his kit so that he's actually balancable afterwards ~AH
I'd personally prefer remove R-Flashes over #2, I personally wouldn't have a problem with Qs travel speed if getting hit by it wasn't a complete deathsentence.
Removing Flash/Rs and Wardjumps would mean that Lee would either need to flank to kick you back or flash early offering an actual time for a reaction flash. At that point Lee's Q wouldn't be that bad because he wouldn't have such amazing followups to it.
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Gut Lee into an unplayable state and leave him like that for however many seasons it takes Riot to provide him with a VGU overhaul, alienating a large portion of their faithful player base.
Or just admit hes not broken and learn to play around him?
You tell me that his Q shouldn't be going at the speed of sound, because it's a sonic wave.
Remove wardjump and then he's fine. He then has to sneak Q or burn a flash if he wants to kill you then, and thats actually fine.
MOre like get rid of ward jumps and nerf Q damage. It's bullshit for anything do %hp damage with ult, then use damage with your last Q to do missing hp damage. It's wayyy too connected
Alternative thread title: "How to make Lee Sin the worst champ in the game in 2 simple steps."
You'd have to give Lee so much to make up for the removal of these 2 things that you'd likely hate him even more than you do now.
I'm sorry but I'm going to downvote that.
I get that people are frustrated about him right now but ward jumping is one of the most satisfactory mechanics he has to offer.
in 98% of LCS games.
But Lee Sin is the problem.
The mobility of ward jumping then landing q and traveling to the target is literally unmatched by anything else in the game especially if you consider how many wards a Lee sin player can have. You can have the area around your lane lit up like a Christmas tree and never see Lee till he's flying at you. Throw in the fact that his R let's him move an enemy on top of it? Busted. Build cinderhulk, ward hop over wall, kick enemy to laner, q to enemy and out of turret range, collect gold.
I don't understand how people can continue to look at that kind of unparalleled mobility, displacement, stickiness, and damage in aggregate and not admit that there might be some validity in saying his kit is over powered as it stands.
I can fix Lee Sin in one step.
