So what's up with AP tank scaling?

LatetotheRace··1 votes·631 views

For lack of eloquence and proper articulation, I'm just gonna give it to you straight. Here's the info which I trust most people can read and understand the problem.

Tanks are primarily designed to peel, cc, and generally tank against the opponents while contributing a bit of damage along the way. So what's the problem I'm talking about? Many tanks, namely AP tanks have high base damages and pretty high scalings to boot. This was likely designed so the little AP they build is meaningful, and really contributes to their damage. The problem here inlies when they build primarily or full damage.

Chogath Nautilus Alistar Gragas Amumu Just to name a few, can dish out ludicrous damage when built primarily AP. Now before you say "But they're squishy when they do that" You're right! But let's stop comparing them to tanks, and instead compare to mages. The majority of these champions have abilities that scale with 60-100% ability power. (Excluding amumu's cry, and cho's auto spikes.) Furthermore, their bases are on par with many of those usual to the mid lane. Lux Ahri Lissandra Velkoz Anivia Kayle Brand TwistedFate Karma Which have base damages from about 100-260 and 280 in rare cases. I don't know if there is any serious issue, but I have noticed with the release of item 1402 item 1410 item 1414 more people are building their junglers full AP. Now these guys can be eliminated by a bruiser/fighter in a 1v1, their large amounts of AOE and newfound burst will destroy squishies and carries.

Again, I could be overreacting and numbers aren't everything. But could this possibly warrant some deeper investigation into the subject? I think we're all done with tanks doing significant damage, and this has only exacerbated the existing problem. If you don't buy this, please take a look at the damages yourself, I'm interested in what everyone finds.

TL;DR AP Tanks, primarily junglers when built full AP do damage tantamount to that of midlaners in almost every aspect.

7 Comments

Surfer Ashe3 votes

AP tanks generally have longer base CDs and do not have builds that favor CDR, compared to Lux and TF.

So relatively, your standard AP midlaner's burst DPS whatever is a lot higher than an AP tanks.

That being said, Gragas is more of a fighter than tank and Mumu has always had retarded scaling (used to have 100% on ult and Q), but with Ali, Cho and Naut, they all have long CDs tied to their abilities.

LatetotheRace1 votes

"AP tanks generally have longer base CDs and do not have builds that favor CDR, compared to Lux and TF."

Yea, I agree the with the CDs, but what if they simply mirrored the builds? The dps wouldn't be all that much different now would it?

Surfer Ashe1 votes

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"AP tanks generally have longer base CDs and do not have builds that favor CDR, compared to Lux and TF."

Yea, I agree the with the CDs, but what if they simply mirrored the builds? The dps wouldn't be all that much different now would it?

No but they'd be blown to bits because most of those listed are melee champions.

Again, the only real exception was Amumu and he was nerfed accordingly.

LatetotheRace1 votes

Galio Fizz Katarina Chogath (and Mordekaiser pre rework) Just to name a few melee AP midlaners

weeaboomer1 votes

Yep, they tend to have insane damage when build that way. Just look up, AP sejuani.

HeadHydra1 votes

Back in season 3 and 4 (I think) Gragas used to be a full AP mid laner.

Kei1431 votes

correct me if i'm wrong ..

don't those tanks have to get close inorder to do that dmg? unlike your lux sniping people from the back lines ..

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