and now we see that when he's finally playable he's OP, because instead of the AP bruiser days of old he can go full tank and still have immense kill pressure with stoneplate with no trade-off
infinitely scaling % damage was a terrible idea too.
Ahristocats42 votesremove %hp damage from ult increase AP ratio
that's all he needs to be back at 50% win rate from 58%
stoneplate ult is the most broken interaction i ever saw in this game "hahahha but just don't get catch by cho"
yeah, i love how as a melee i can't get to the fight because being near cho will make me taking 2400 true damage, which is just like nearly 60% of my hp
AirKingNeo5 votesChange stoneplate to count as "Base HP" instead of "Bonus HP" so Locket Stoneplate 500-1000 shield dies.
Ahristocats2 votesexcept that even without stoneplate, cho ult scaling with HP is still a problem but you can try to fixe stoneplate first i guess
AirKingNeo1 votesMaybe? But it is a good first step.
Critmaster Garen3 votesChange stoneplate to count as "Base HP" instead of "Bonus HP" so Locket Stoneplate 500-1000 shield dies.
its far more than 1k health. ive seen the tooltip show 1600 shield on a 16 stack chogath.
and thats without stoneplate activation.
AirKingNeo1 votesFirst steps man.
Fefnil1 votesOr simply make the damage reduction count for true damage, since that's the most logical solution. Why should I use Gargoyle's offensively if it's entire point is to halve the damage I take and more than halve the damage I deal to deter carries from buying it?
AirKingNeo1 votesHow does that remove bullshit 1k Locket shields?
Fefnil1 votesHow is that bullshit? The first true form of defensive "fuck you" after 2 seasons of damage creep and snowballing can only be welcomed.
AirKingNeo1 votesDamage has been equally creeped up and much as tankiness. Only bruisers are left in the dust.
sutora37 voteswhich mele champion that isnt a tank has 4400 hp?
Ahristocats4 votesany juggernaut in this game
and 
who's basically an AP juggernaut with 500 range, but he wants to be in the middle of the fight
and btw, if you have 3000 hp that's more than 60% of your hp
Shablagoo4 voteshttps://na.op.gg/champion/statistics http://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/stats/chogath/diamond
Can you tell me were he has a 58% winrate I dont know what site you all are using.
Profirix2 votesHe has got close to a 55% win rate on lolalytics.com but never a 58%
Shablagoo4 votesWhats the playrate because on op.gg it says he has a .79% playrate in jg and 5% on lolgraphs? If so he is similar to skarner the best cho plays are playing him
Megagon2 votes57.1% winrate Jungle cho'gath,nobody gives a fuck about top lane cho gath,actually they do but not enough fucks
Shablagoo2 votesPlz show me the page and also tell me the playrate man you cant just spit out stuff without showing where u got it.
Megagon1 votesI'm sorry if i sound rude when i say this,but please use your god damned eyes and look at the same page you linked http://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/stats/chogath/diamond
Look at "ROLES" AND BELOW THAT you see the jungle cho'gath winrate.
Shablagoo1 voteshttp://champion.gg/champion/Maokai/Jungle Is Mao also op? http://champion.gg/champion/Zilean/Middle Zilean too? You need to understand that playrate is a huge factor, if a champion has a small playerbase it means the best of the best cho's are playing him and succeeding. If his playrate was 10-20% then it would make sense to complain but the mains are the ones doing the best so it makes sense also the top DIAMOND Cho players too. If it jumps to 10% then u can complain on the boards dont jsut come and complain without puttting the playrate because its really misleading and leads to ppl just riding a bandwagon for a champion they probably didnt like regardless of his winrate.
Arc Atlas8 votesthat's all he needs to be back at 50% win rate from 58%
You trolling? Champion.gg shows Cho having under a 48 percent win rate in top and mid, while http://lolalytics.com/champion/Chogath/ shows that the top Cho players in the world have a 41.67 percent win rate over the past 7 days. It only has 12 games to analyze which means even Cho mains aren't playing him.
Big Lincoln3 voteslolalytics is bugged and showing a lot of champ 'mains' having very low winrates
Arc Atlas3 votesLol, that coupled with champion.gg stats still complately counter that guys claim that Cho is sitting at a 58 percent win rate. He can't even get past 50 percent in lane.
Big Lincoln4 voteslook at jungle
Arc Atlas2 votesWin Rate 43.33% 43 / 43 0
So you clearly didn't look at the stats, otherwise you'd know he's the worst jungler in the game currently.
Escheton25 votesHe was always like this. Able to go full Tank or AP or a mix of it. And his ult has always been scary. But the meta moved forward and Cho didn't (he's quite slow). So they updated him. That really all there is to it.
Those that complain simply forgot Cho existed because he wasn't very viable or fun.
Profirix7 votesSad part is, with all these people complaining, Riot will likely over-nerf him and then he will go back to being fodder.
Pale Pirate1 votesBut cho was viable wasn't he? 
Was enough to make him a threat. And he has an instant silence.
Sexy Jack Rabbit5 votesThe silence used to be when it proc'd the silence upon pressing the button. Like Annie W.
Now it procs after the spell has casted.
abbbez13 votesI think making stoneplate reduce true damage might be enough to balance him.
TwitchInMyPants1 votesI think making stoneplate reduce true damage might be enough to balance him.
Oh shit, you're right. That thing is supposed to reduce 60% of damage but Cho's an exception for some reason. That'd take off a big chunk of burst before even touching the ratio.
RavenMagus6 votesHe's an exception because true damage is an exception. True damage is never supposed to be reduced by anything in the game (that's why it's 'true damage').
Honestly the stoneplate should just give a shield. Giving actual HP just leads to stupid absurd combos like Cho'gath or Locket.
TwitchInMyPants1 votesHe's an exception because true damage is an exception. True damage is never supposed to be reduced by anything in the game (that's why it's 'true damage').
Honestly the stoneplate should just give a shield. Giving actual HP just leads to stupid absurd combos like Cho'gath or Locket.
There are some things that reduce true damage though, its weird but ninja tabi reduces on hit spells, so it'll reduce something like Irelia's W true damage. So I wouldn't be surprised if Gargoyle took priority over true damage. Even if it doesn't, Cho prob should have his R reduced by it at least, its not like Olaf's E where its neglibable whether its debuffed or not, Cho's R is a huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuge nuke.
RavenMagus1 votesAre you sure about that?
Nothing on the wiki mentions that Ninja Tabi's damage reduction works on Irelia, and no other form of damage reduction works on true damage at all. Alistar ult doesn't work, Exhaust doesn't work, Braum's shield doesn't work. It also can't be amplified by masteries (like Assassin or Double-edged Sword) or abilities (like Swain's thingie or Vlad's ult).
The only thing you can do against true damage typically is block the attack completely (spell shields or Pantheon shields).
...I'd go test it but I can't put boots on the target dummies...
TwitchInMyPants1 votesAre you sure about that?
Nothing on the wiki mentions that Ninja Tabi's damage reduction works on Irelia, and no other form of damage reduction works on true damage at all. Alistar ult doesn't work, Exhaust doesn't work, Braum's shield doesn't work. It also can't be amplified by masteries (like Assassin or Double-edged Sword) or abilities (like Swain's thingie or Vlad's ult).
The only thing you can do against true damage typically is block the attack completely (spell shields or Pantheon shields).
...I'd go test it but I can't put boots on the target dummies...
I know it reduces magic damage on hits and a couple youtubers did breakdowns on stuff ninja tabi reduces, so unless it was misinformation or Riot turned that off, anything that applies on a basic attack that is flagged by the game as a basic attack is reduced by the passive, to my knowledge.
Edit: Here's one video that mentions it https://youtu.be/Q0K1TjELxfs?t=2m35s
Having trouble finding it anywhere else. Might be worth a test at some point, might be misinformed.
RavenMagus2 votesThe video sounds unsure about it, but assumes it does because it's an auto attack modifier.
I would, on the other hand, assume it doesn't because it's true damage. Riot has been systematically removing any sort of ability that modifies true damage dealt or taken in any way.
LiteUpSketchers2 votesI could not agree with this more. As a Cho main I feel like nerfing his E is the wrong way to go, because it really restricts the items Cho can buy. I don't really understand why it doesn't do this already.
Salson12 votesBuffing a outdated champ is always a great idea.
Not like Nunu jumped to over 55% winrate, not like Singed had to be hotfixed in 2 days, not like Malza has 55% and no one gives a fuck.
Maybe it's Rito's way of reminding us that there are worse things than Yasuo out there.
LeBlanc Rose1 votesMalzahar actually had a recent rework. 2 in fact.
TeemoXNidalee8 votesThat's not what makes him OP, he is OP because his ult always outdamages smite. It was balanced due to the fact that his clear used to be shit, but now his E deals %hp damage, making him super fast at killing monsters/dragon/baron and securing with his ult.
ChaosThief2 votesI mean, his clear would be pretty bad if you didn't max E. Personally I found that the way to go.
With his new E I imagine it would be faster though since it does more damage at a burst.
BobaFlautist7 votesIt's only a huge threat if you're a squishy melee, and if you're a squishy melee you really should have the tools to avoid him.
Squishy ranged champions shouldn't let a champ like cho get on them anyway, if they do they would've died to any juggernaut basically.
Tanky melees get fucked over even more by Garen deciding they're an enemy of demacia, which I always thought was a dumb interaction.
Jackom15 votes
If rito wants to make him an AP juggernaut, they should at least lower the range of his Q and the slow.
My Heartshaker5 votesHis Q is already hard enough to hit as it is (delay, self-cc), removing part of the reward for hitting his Q is a bad idea.
Jackom15 votesPoint is, rito said they want cho to become another juggernaut, so a champion who has high damage despite building almost full tank. But it's just too much to give a single champion high tankiness, high damage, and ranged cc (his Q). Sooner or later they'll have to take away something. Or, for now, they could lower his base stats (they are quite high at the moment), so that he's weaker in early game so that he has a harder time scaling into the monster he is now.
Meep Man4 votesCho's OP? I'm confused. When did this happen? What position? Why? Where? When? I haven't experienced this sudden eruption of Cho'Gath being OP.
Everywhere I check, I see anywhere from a 52-54% win rate, but with a 4% or below play rate, meaning very few players are playing Cho that aren't experienced with him. Where is your evidence that he is OP?
Big Lincoln2 votes60% winrate in the jungle atm