Jinx early game attack speed nerf

coreym11··1 votes·1,888 views

In 5.10 Jinx is apparently losing attack speed on her and in return it scales with leveling. I know this doesn't reduce her overall attack speed just takes longer to get to your desired attack speed. At level 1 in 5.9 i get as much attack speed as you would at like level 5 or 6 which is kinda insane. I know this an earlier game nerf but here's the thing. Jinx has always been a champ known for her attack speed and now you kinda took that signature away from her. Thats like making vayne on hit effect damage scale with leveling. And I feel like this is a cheap way to get old champs to overcome new ones. Like look at ashe slow on every shot and the crits are ridiculous costing no mana for the slow. Also notice how Ashe gets super attack speed rework and notice how Coincidentally ashe gets and attack speed boost with her new passive ability thing while jinx gets a nerf...It seems like to buff the old champs your nerfing the new ones. Not only the you took away Jinx signature. She's the destruction lover yet you take away her fast attack speed. Thats like taking invulnerability away from fizz stick, ashe on hit slow vayne, on 3 hit damage... I did hear her late game attack speed got an extra 5%/10% boost due to this scaling with level early game nerf but lets be honest that probably gonna be taken away from her. Next thing you know people are gonna want a nerf for the mana on her rockets. People are never going to be satisfied till she is literally not herself anymore :( (I played her on the PBE recently to know this info so i'm not just spitting random stuff i haven't experienced) Jinx Look at that face you can't do this please.

28 Comments

CreationFlaw9 votes

For real? You're complaining about a hyper carry getting a very slight attack speed nerf because she's pretty oppressive throughout the laning phase on top of lategame?

Nimba4 votes

I was mad about it as a Jinx main and then I saw Sej's nerfs and was like yeah...lol it could be a LOT worse. It's not really that bad, she's still gonna be god tier, still going to dominate games when she's ahead, just not as much as before which is fair. If Vayne is behind she can't 3 shot everyone, Jinx should also struggle when behind.

OperationDEEZ14 votes

Oh no, now you can't be a late-game hyper carry without a weak early game.

Nimba2 votes

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Oh no, now you can't be a late-game hyper carry without a weak early game.

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SgtCrispy3 votes

Since when is Riven a late-game hyper carry?

SexyTaylorSwift1 votes

Riven is actually the complete opposite of what you said.

SexyTaylorSwift3 votes

33% pick rate with like a 55% win rate. She was a hyper carry that didn't even have a weak early game. She needed this nerf more than her ult nerf.

Marthian1 votes

Looks at her face Hmmm... Jinx arrested and deleted from game. :)

coreym111 votes

aaaaaaa! Heartless killer! (Donate to the aspca now to save a champion in need)

coreym111 votes

Since this nerf is not being vetoed and lowered her attack speed should i even bother putting points into it in lane phase?

coreym111 votes

And for the person talking comparing vayne to Jinx thats like making her silver bolts passive scale with leveling on hit that's what it feels like to use Jinx. My point being that if this continues she won't feel like Jinx anymore. Just took her advantages away from her.

coreym111 votes

Now people think I am bsing about nothing but this is a really a huge change! From all my matches ive played this nerf showed in my kda damage and everything I used to start item 3072 then item 3031 plus Jinx attack speed made me able to have a good balance of damage, speed, and lifesteal then i would build item 3087 and then the rest of my speed crit build continues. But now 1) I can't get nearly as good as a benefit from benefit from item 3072 2) since I need speed for the lifesteal depending on my money i get item 3087 or item 3006 now I don't have enough damage so i am not achieving anything.3) The attack speed numbers are increasing but is the speed really getting faster? I only feel the change on the first 2 stacks the 3rd stack doesn't even seem to make a difference. I heard that her late game attack speed reaches 5% /10% bonus from the original attack speed but I don't this buff is used to being worth being useless throughout the whole game. Vayne gets get really good at 6. These nerf on Jinx suspended her to maybe even later. Of all my matches i never even reached levels 16, 17, or 18 with Jinx. Weak early game I think you meant weak early and mid game.

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Ashe guaranteed crit on frosted targets...2nd and upcoming basic attacks are guaranteed crit along with her Q and speed shot. Slow costing no mana? I didn't need to run away anyway.

And Jinx was the biggest problem?

Regardless what Jinx becomes im not gonna let any nerfs but me down.

Lugg1 votes

It's not that big of a nerf and one that she has been LONG overdue to get. You can't have hyper-carries being strong early game. She will still be stronger than Vayne or Twitch after this nerf.

coreym111 votes

It's not like she was op during lane phase or early game just another champion. Basically what i'm say is out of ALL the issue there are with other champs why do they keep picking on Jinx Everything I have liked got nerfed to a point where it is not fun anymore.

Lugg1 votes

You have to be kidding.

Jinx is BY FAR the strongest ADC in the game right now. Her late game is insane. To balance that, you have to give her a weak early game. Once she gets a BF Sword, it's literally GG bottom lane if you are competent at all.

Dracolich01 votes

Obviously by far the strongest ADC before her nerf on 5.9. Oh wait, I don't seem to remember her getting banned or picked in a single EU LCS game today which is playing on 5.9. That is strange. If she was BY FAR the best ADC, why didn't the pros pick her? Wait what, they picked Ashe and Kalista nearly every game, but I was sure Jinx was the strongest /end sacrasm.

Jinx was nerfed because of solo queue because her win percent was too high there. Don't even try to argue that she is too strong in any other part of the competitive play because you will look like a fool.

Lugg1 votes

The reason she wasn't picked/banned is that Sivir and Kalista fit better with the popular builds for the pro teams. Sivir's ult is perfect for tanks on her team since it allows them to dive the carries so easily. Kalista can do the same with her ult.

Jinx isn't as dominate on the LCS circuit as compared to solo queue due to the fact that pros have much better coordination to shut her down early. If you don't focus her, she destroys you. It is the same as Vayne and Twitch but they have an even worse early game.

If you watch some of the other regions, you will see a pretty high pick/ban rate on her.

Dracolich01 votes

Your LCS arguement is poor since Vayne was picked, and if they do the same thing but Jinx is so much better at carrying why would they pick the worse adc. Anyways Ashe was picked more that Sivir and the reason support ADCs are picked is because they are significantly weaker and take a lot more attention to carry in real games (with thornmail, righteous glory cinderhulk or assassins nearly anyone can 1v1 and adc if they don't get outplayed) which makes the nerfs to jinx instead of buffs to others adcs make less sense. When you nerf all the lane bullys (lucian, graves, etc) obviously the scaling champions become favored, and your argument agrees with me in the first place in the fact that she only got nerfed because of solo queue even though she is not the best anyways so I don't really get what your counter point was trying to get at.

Lugg1 votes

With the way things are now with Patch 5.10, I think Vayne and Jinx are very similar in terms of power. I would give a slight edge to Jinx early and mid and Vayne the slight edge late. Jinx has the better range to poke, while Vayne is better at taking down tanks. It basically comes down to the preference of the ADC on who they want to play now. Both of them can easily penta the other team late game.

As for competitive play, Jinx is played a lot by WildTurtle of TSM and has hard carried many a time. Jinx is played quite a bit in Korea, China, and Taiwan. So I believe my argument is sound.

coreym111 votes

People say "we can't have and adc have a good early game" Look at ashe her range is good every hit is a slow then after that a crit if you try to run you can cause your slow like thats a good early game. I also don't understand why people say Vayne's early game isn't good can someone tell me why it isn't good because i think her early game is good there is nothing wrong with it. Zap gets blocked by minions which is really her only poke. Its and early game nerf but it feels like a whole game nerf until level 16 more like a and early game mid nerf i don't feel the bonus attack speed but why can they do this to Jinx when you look at people like Ashe? Is it because she an older champ?

R1101 votes

People don't say that an adc can't have a good early game. She just can't have a strong early game while scaling better into the late game compared to other adcs.

Sirsir1 votes

They aren't taking it away they are giving more of it, it just takes longer to kick in.

Skia Asteri1 votes

Even if Q did not give Attack Speed when toggled off, she would still be strong. I expect this change to increase her win rate with new players as it will make them more inclined to lob rockets from a safe range rather than getting is unsafe positions using minigun.

coreym111 votes

Her early game as far as i'm concerned was pretty weak. I mean so many other bot lane champs have so much poke yet Zap is blocked by minions and traps are easy to avoid but whatever.

coreym111 votes

To be completely honest though why don't they just say Jinx has been a dominant pick lately and she has a win rate of 55% Maybe we should nerf her and give other champs a chance. I mean it's understandable but it's the fact that these nerfs aren't needed and they don't admit it. The only time I start having fun is levels 17 and 18 in which there is only like 10 minutes left in the match before it ends.

Might as well just say nerfed Jinx so champions like Ashe can take the spotlight even though since Ashe her rework is far more broken and given an attack speed steroid which was obviously taken from Jinx except an added every hit slow. Basically Ashe could take her place which makes me mad. If Jinx continues to have a better win rate than Ashe i'm gonna laugh as this is so sad and also just watch in awe as my favorite champ gets nerfed again. I'm gonna predict the future and say that Jinx Q rockets will no longer be able to crit and/or cost more mana.

coreym111 votes

If your going to make a nerfed based on solo queue non-ranked matches then might as well give her the extra attack speed at levels 15-16 because "She had a 55% win rate in solo queue non-ranked match" So lets no buff her according to how long non-ranked matches last about like 35-40 minutes so lets give her the attack speed buff based on the information since solo queue non-ranked is how you make the decision to buff or nerf a champion. Can't argue with this logic when u used this same logic to nerf her. Legit with this nerf it is so hard to get fed or even kill cause your attack speed legit doesn't increase and get ksed by other people. Might as well play a top laner get fed and wreck house instead of "Ad carry" who JOB it is.

coreym111 votes

Honestly though we can keep this nerf as long as the nerf doesn't impact so much of the game! But when i hit 17 especially 18 i;m a freaking truck. It's just so unnecessarily hard to get kills because they always get stolen early on i just want a higher kd which I deserve for putting out lots of damage just not be able to actually pick up the kill early on unless they decided to give it to me. I just wish the nerf didn't make it impossible to get kills early on without them getting stolen.

I like to suck D1 votes

Oh noooooooooooooooo, now you only get an aoe ability that does 10% more damage and can crit multiple targets at 700 range. AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH.

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