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Bot lane has turned so stressful and so cheese to play, doesn't even feel competitive

coreym11·7/19/2019, 3:01:50 AM·44 votes·13,190 views

I'm not high elo but I have been a adc main since season 5 and nearly every game of league I have ever played of league has been bot lane. I have enough experience in this lane to say that over time this lane has changed from a more competitive and tense competition between adc and adc with supports pressuring each other into which duo picked a mage bot lane who can spam the most damaging, low cd, and lowest mana cost spells and prevent the enemy bot lane from actually playing the game.

Mages have so much power that they really drown out the skill of both bot laners, its like the adc who doesn't have a mage support can't even play the game and the adc with a mage support isn't actually doing anything skill full to win. The adc that does not have the mage supporting them in bot lane gets pushed under tower struggling to cs and survive, its almost impossible to even stay in the same lane being pressured everytime you walk up to cs. Supports like , , , , and are doing immense amounts of damage with little to no risk of being pressured especially when the enemy bans or with their 1 opportunity 10 sec cd hook. The lane instead of being anyway competitive is now people throwing mindless high damaging skill shots preventing the adc from being able to farm entirely by poking then zoning them from cs or straight up causing them to back. You don't really get to see the differences in actual skill between the adc's until after the lane is over.

Playing a lane against and or is literally almost impossible to play in without being down 30+ cs. You can't even walk up to cs without losing 1/4th of your hp. Playing games with Vs are so much more enjoyable, tense, and competitive rather than your vs their .

Take mages out of bot lane please or buff the early magic resistance of adcs or maybe even give them an early item that gives them mr. Mages are ruining this lane.

46 Comments

Hayaishi27/19/2019, 3:24:55 AM35 votes

This game is broken. It will never go back to what it used to be, league will die before going back to when it was actually good.

Bot lane has been garbage ever since they allowed mages to be played down there with no risk at all.

The thigh guy7/19/2019, 6:21:05 AM18 votes

Bot lane has been “pick top 3 or lose” for years now dude.

Metal Janna7/19/2019, 3:25:18 AM11 votes

This is so Poe's Law.

"Cheap mages landing one skillshot and I lose a quarter of my health! I'd rather play against a hook support who lands a single skillshot and I lose all of my health!"

I Smell Pizza7/19/2019, 5:33:49 AM11 votes

Used to play sup, but a normal sup is removed from the game.

Daddy Ants7/19/2019, 9:03:58 AM10 votes

The issue is item 3020 .... Hear me out.

Ranged Champions start with 30 base Magic Resist and have a 0.5 per level MR growth.

Let's say for the purpose of this post that laning phase ends around level 8.

I just went into the practice tool on Caitlyn, leveled myself to 8 and discovered I have 33 Magic Resist.

For 1,100 Gold a Mage can remove 55% of my total magic resist.

Most of these "Support" Mages also build item 3916 ... Once they complete that, they're dealing True Damage to me.

Even if you take the 8 MR shard, item 3020 removes 44% of your total MR.

item 3020 item 3916 removes 80% of your MR if you take the MR shard.

BuT jUst BuY A nULL mAgIc MAnTLe - Mage Mains.

Easier said than done, Marksmen are the most item reliant class in the game. Delaying a Blade of the Ruined King or Infinity Edge by 450 gold is huge.

Śhunpo7/19/2019, 11:57:27 AM7 votes

And then you have to face Yuumi , where the lane has literally 0 interactivity because she's usually picked with either Ezreal , Sivir , or Caitlyn , who are all extremely safe.

Also 1/4 of your HP? More like at least 80% thanks to summoner 14 , Scorch, Aery/Comet/Electrocute and Cheap Shot.

Freeza with an I7/19/2019, 8:31:10 AM7 votes

Honestly I wish they'd just remove Cait's onboxiously long headshot combo. If she has a root/snare support it basically guarantees you're dead if youg et hit one. Lux Q's you? TRAP INTO A BONUS DAMAGE HEADSHOT INTO A E HEADSHOT. Literally either A. Remove her ability to use the E Headshot or better yet: Make her W deal base damage or let it headshot but not massive amounts of bonus damage!!

Nea1047/19/2019, 5:19:01 PM5 votes

V8.1 (January 10th, >>>2018<<<)

Blaze 
    Damage per stack increased to 4% of target's maximum health from 2%.

V9.2 (January 24th, >>>2019<<<)

Blaze 
    Damage over time reduced to 3% of target's maximum health from 4%.

1 whole season of that ~~idi~~ absurd Brand's buff. They intentionally allowed him to mindlessy spam as a "support", not caring about feedbacks, not thinking if that was enjoyable or not.

They lost tons of players during Season 8 not by chance or accident. And they still haven't understood much, not surprisingly.

chipndip17/19/2019, 3:53:31 AM5 votes

Really just baseless complaining, honestly.

HàrrowR7/19/2019, 1:14:48 PM5 votes

Honestly i don't feel like mages bot are as punishing as they once were, it might be just my personal opinion though but there's a lot of stuff you can do to minimize the effectiveness of the poke.

Choose the right champion like most of these champions have either long range and are pretty safe or have a lot of mobility to quickly avoid incoming damage, i know it's funny that i've put Vayne there and it's maybe just because she's been one of my mains for the last 8 seasons but even with her i don't usually feel too threatened by poke since she can reposition quickly
Choose the right runes, i think 90% of the players completely gloss over the runes, they see a recommended build and just stick to it mindlessly forever, if you're up against a brand bot lane then taking some defensive runes will mean a lot, legend bloodline, fleet footwork, magical potion delivery, even going for the resolve tree and getting second wind and boneplating will keep you alive much longer and you can actually start with +12 MR
Items- Again 90% of the players never experiment with any of the different builds, don't be afraid to build or it's not a huge loss of dps especially if you're not playing a very AA reliant champ like Lucian or MF for example but it can help you stay safer,farm more,participate in more fights and get more kills just by virtue of staying alive to do it.

And for later game you don't need to go item 3006 item 3087 item 3094 item 3031 item 3508 to deal damage especially if you're not coupled with an enchanter support like lulu or a healbot soraka.

item 3006 item 3046 item 3031 item 3139 item 3036 item 3026 When you factor in the increased survive time you'll end up doing the same or even more damage in total but won't be frustrated as much of getting clipped by Lux Q and instantly deleted.

Like i said you have to adapt to every game, if you're going bot with Soraka and have an Ivern jungle you can go all out full damage and rely on them to save you, if your support is pyke that can't heal or shield you you'll have to rely on yourself. item 3026 item 3139 item 3046 just these three items completely change the feel of the role try it out and see for yourself, you don't have to be a super squishy hiding cowering in fear

https://gyazo.com/20bca0907d8b3266a7d5f9b221450675 https://gyazo.com/937630eb3a37d8eba681d4925fb0ac9a

preternatural7/19/2019, 3:34:33 AM4 votes

lol just pick leona into all the mages.

RavenMagus7/19/2019, 10:05:04 PM4 votes

Why are you bashing mages?

This has nothing to do with mages at all. It has to do with the insane amount of damage that everyone is doing.

Mages are not the only ones. Nami Blitzcrank Thresh Leona Alistar Nautilus Zilean ? They're not mages, but if any of them hits you with their CC, you are dead.

PermaJinxed7/19/2019, 4:30:49 AM4 votes

I started playing at the start of S3. Caitlyn Lux had ALWAYS been a nightmare bully lane...... ALWAYS.

And I do agree mages are a little strong (I feel a burst mage should still do 70-80% with a FULL combo to a squishy and have to play around thier cds or die to a marksman while everything is down. Assassins should do 100% with thier combo but outright die if they can't get in/be weak to poke. Tanks should laugh at mages and assassins but die to adcs over like 10 seconds while NOT being able to kill a squishy in under that time. And adcs should be tank crushers and either dodge and win against mages or get poked out, and just be weak to assassins in general)

PhantomGG7/19/2019, 8:39:09 PM3 votes

Remove biscuts and mana flow band from game

let mages actually run out of mana

preternatural7/19/2019, 8:20:46 PM3 votes

Leona

mack91127/19/2019, 3:16:50 PM3 votes

Idk I have played a lot of velkoz support and when you get to around mid plat the adc players actually know how to dodge your skill shots and the game gets real.

It really is night and day.

DeleteSuppRole7/19/2019, 11:22:45 AM2 votes

i wish bot lane was an ADC 1v1 lane without any supports

ZeichiVos7/19/2019, 11:54:36 AM2 votes

For a long time bot lane has been a rock-paper-scissors between damage supps, engage supps, and sustain/peel supps, with some hybridization (alistar, sona.) Whichever of the 3 is the strongest at any given moment show up the most, their winning matchup becomes rare and low winrate until they're buffed up. The cycle continues. Eventually the tank ones will be strong, then we'll go back to something like the ardent meta. All of them can be frustrating when they're strong.

If we're not worried about getting hard zoned off CS (damage/poke), then we're worried about adcs being incredibly tanky and impossible to poke down(sustain/peel), or we're worried about the supp being an unkillable engage monster that effectively kills you or shoves you out of lane by landing a single ability(tank/engage). So it has been, so it will be. This cycle isn't going away either, not unless they bring back ward gimp supports from season 3. Be mollified knowing that your preferred supp type will rotate back in soon enough.

Pool Party Pix7/19/2019, 4:13:32 PM2 votes

Yes mages are overpowered and don't forget how are they also ruining top lane

Luxana Crowngard7/19/2019, 7:36:21 PM2 votes

Like all mages in the support role, they are essentially playing from behind 24/7. You will always have a gold advantage against them, and on top of that you can bum rush them when they use their one and only peel ability as all of the mage supports only have 1 ability that is threatening. You can't just let them poke you out you gotta establish dominance to shit on mage supports. It's rough at first yes, but once you get your a game and score a kill on that mage, they are effectively useless for the next 12 minutes lol

ﬂoo7/19/2019, 9:32:49 PM2 votes

How about taking off the mana reg of item 3303 and item 3098 and make mage supports actually buy item 3092 . Thereby they wouldn't be allowed to spam poke abilities non-stop and all in at any given opportunity + give them a reason to finish their support item. They can very well just upgrade it as 6th item, which in return gives them an earlier item 3020 or item 3916 .

Sir Saltarin7/19/2019, 10:43:35 PM2 votes

Read half of it and I'll say it's bullshit

Botlane is perfectly fine and mage supps are not a problem

KVbqbFsC8e7/19/2019, 10:52:39 PM2 votes

Very amusing to read ADCs crying about this as someone who has played toplane for years.

xelaker7/20/2019, 5:08:11 AM2 votes

you can still play non mage stuff at bot...

Busty Demon7/20/2019, 8:23:17 AM2 votes

I would take all of those happily than a Nautilus with aftershock..... That thing can't be support.

soodow7/20/2019, 5:14:33 AM1 votes

I have a friend that has mained adc for many years and has hard considereed going full time mid bc of the bot lane adc game rn. Getting ahead as adc is hard enough as it is, and with mages coming and making nearly impossible to actually adCARRY in any way shape or form.., and even if you do great in lane, there is little reward to it at all if the 3/4/2 enemy jg can still one shot you or the 2/1 neeko mid like ????

rawiazam17/19/2019, 11:20:14 PM1 votes

welcome to top lane buddy

Crescent Dusk7/20/2019, 1:46:08 AM1 votes

You're cute. You're just getting to experience what top lane has live through since its inception.

Proxy3457/19/2019, 8:18:41 PM1 votes

ADCs aren't even needed anymore,all you need is assassins,bruisers and mages to win every match. The team with an ADC is just gonna get oneshotted and tower dived all day and then the ADC will be left alone and useless.

FantasySniper7/20/2019, 4:37:46 AM1 votes

Funny, I'm finding Thresh Blitzcrank Pyke a lot less enjoyable to play against than poke supports. Hooks make an all-in stupid-easy. Even if you poked them down to 15% health while you're near full, they'll still win the fight because of their absurd CC and damage. It's ridiculous.

Beerstein7/20/2019, 3:21:59 PM1 votes

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I'm not high elo but I have been a adc main since season 5 and nearly every game of league I have ever played of league has been bot lane. I have enough experience in this lane to say that over time this lane has changed from a more competitive and tense competition between adc and adc with supports pressuring each other into which duo picked a mage bot lane who can spam the most damaging, low cd, and lowest mana cost spells and prevent the enemy bot lane from actually playing the game.

Mages have so much power that they really drown out the skill of both bot laners, its like the adc who doesn't have a mage support can't even play the game and the adc with a mage support isn't actually doing anything skill full to win. The adc that does not have the mage supporting them in bot lane gets pushed under tower struggling to cs and survive, its almost impossible to even stay in the same lane being pressured everytime you walk up to cs. Supports like , , , , and are doing immense amounts of damage with little to no risk of being pressured especially when the enemy bans or with their 1 opportunity 10 sec cd hook. The lane instead of being anyway competitive is now people throwing mindless high damaging skill shots preventing the adc from being able to farm entirely by poking then zoning them from cs or straight up causing them to back. You don't really get to see the differences in actual skill between the adc's until after the lane is over.

Playing a lane against and or is literally almost impossible to play in without being down 30+ cs. You can't even walk up to cs without losing 1/4th of your hp. Playing games with Vs are so much more enjoyable, tense, and competitive rather than your vs their .

Take mages out of bot lane please or buff the early magic resistance of adcs or maybe even give them an early item that gives them mr. Mages are ruining this lane.

As a jg main trying to learn ADC, I agree. I know I'm bad at ADC but I can literally walk out of lane with half the CS the opponent has and then by the time mid phase is almost over be man handling them and close to their CS. By late game, stomp their faces in. Again it's partly that I suck at laning, but it's also part that bit Lane feels like ARAM sometimes and almost entirely in the hands of the supports.

Anyway, jg may be weak, but at least I don't have to deal with that crap in the jg lol. Would rather get hard countered in jg than play a bot lane mess.

That said, I normally secondary support and now I see why ADCs are so timid, lol.

GripaAviara7/19/2019, 9:21:19 AM1 votes

I hate lux, I started to ban that overpowered champion kept in this state to sell the damn skins.

While maybe Lux is not your 1v5 hard carry for people to consider being broken, it is. The fact a stary Q can hit you and with a full combo you are dead at lvl 8 vs theoretical support it's absurd. Not to count the fact being rooted means you are also mad vulnerable to their ADC

l MrD l7/19/2019, 10:52:28 PM1 votes

i know theyre working on support items for pre season so this should help actual supports depending on what the plans are? but anyways i dont like this ap mages bot either im kinda sick of just damage everywhere ...... even the divers build so much damage and get away with it thanks to steraks GA maw etc .. used to be a jax would build tri and botrk but now i just dont know anymore

Just top lane damage jungler damage mid damage adc damage support damage

NO wonder damage is high used to be low damage champs top support and mainly jungle and the actual ones with high damage was nid nd adc now everyone has it and we all get blown up as soon as possible all for the sake of making LCS etc more fun and exciting to watch ...