Who are the champs that need some sort a rework?

The Deckowner·Apr 29, 2016·2 votes·874 views

This is my opinion

23 Comments

Critmaster GarenApr 29, 20165 votes

Katarina is actually one of the better designed assassins. id even say shes what a healthy assassin should be like. her ult has counterplay, and she has to commit to an assasinaion since she doesnt get a reset on shunpo to get back out of danger if she fails to kill her target. (come at me haters)

Fizz has an overloaded trollpole, but is not that bad when you look at the rest of his kit.

MasterYi is fine. i blame fervor for making his bruiser build sort of too good in the past.

Mordekaiser is being worked on

Volibear is fine

Yorick is getting a full rework

Trundle is a turd to lane against, but fine.

The DeckownerApr 29, 20162 votes

kat is too feast or famine imo

fizz is just bullshit, he was voted the most hated champ design

trundle need counterplay after qss nerf

Critmaster GarenApr 29, 20162 votes

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kat is too feast or famine imo

fizz is just bullshit, he was voted the most hated champ design

trundle need counterplay after qss nerf

but kat generally fulfills traits that a healthy assassin should have.

fizz only bullshit ability is his trollpole, which is exactly what i said. the rest of his kit actually makes sense and is not that bad. i mean a lot of his damage potential rests on the damage amplification on his ult. he has to hit a skillshot to really be able to assassinte someone.

trundle... i dont know what the qss nerf will do. but generally he has a clear nieche and he doesnt need a rework imo. some slight changes will probably already compensate for the fact that you cant cleanse the ult anymore.

the worst designed assassin imo is Leblanc

she has ranged point and click assassinations, while she doesnt even have to fully commit and put herself in danger for the assassination attempt due to her w.

this leads to her having almost 0 counterplay whenever she has the scalings in her kit to be a strong champion.

Kassadin has a similar problem.

The DeckownerApr 29, 20161 votes

i think kat's design is fine but her q should get some change to make it more interactive, now it's like"well i have it up why not just use it" ability.

tank fizz is a more dmg less mobility version of ekko, ap fizz will have nearly no counterplay after qss nerf, i actually have seem adc get oneshot by fizz ult with 3 items.

trundle's entire kit is revolve around"i got built in sustain mobility dmg tankiness and cc in my kit as long as u arent ranged u are fucked", it is a very irretating kit with nearly no counterplay.

lb is in the list of champion called "bullshit toxic design", idk why rito think double distortion and point and click delete button is a good design for an assasin, zed at least has skillshots.

kass's kit is extremely hard to balance, he definitely need rework.

Captain AstoraApr 29, 20163 votes

Supports...in General. Hire Shurelia for the project and fix them.

ParoeApr 29, 20162 votes

Azir (Needs to have the reliance on soldiers removed. Q and E need to be standalone abilities.)

Braum (needs waveclear)

Ekko (Less base damage more scaling)

Kassadin

Mordekaiser

Ryze

Yorick

The DeckownerApr 29, 20162 votes

i dont see why braum need waveclear tho

ParoeApr 29, 20161 votes

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i dont see why braum need waveclear tho

Every champion does =/ just because youre a support primary doesnt mean you have to live your life shackled to an ADC with a "bitch" tag around your neck.

Braums Q just needs to pass through minions, and only stop on champions. that would fix all of my problems with braum.

The DeckownerApr 29, 20161 votes

Bard Janna Leona Nami Nunu Taric Soraka Sona Thresh all need waveclear then

Tbh generally tanks has decent to poor waveclears

AbyssphereApr 29, 20161 votes

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(Needs to have the reliance on soldiers removed. Q and E need to be standalone abilities.)

(needs waveclear)

(Less base damage more scaling)

Why is a rework necessary for Ekko's bases to be lowered and his ratios to be increased?

ParoeApr 29, 20161 votes

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Why is a rework necessary for Ekko's bases to be lowered and his ratios to be increased?

Tank ekko is a thing. By lowering base damage and increasing scaling, tank ekko becomes less attractive.

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all need waveclear then

Tbh generally tanks has decent to poor waveclears

All of those supports except nunu have AoEs that effect minions. that IS waveclear. Braum has no AoE outside his ult; he doesnt have any kind of waveclear at all and if you play him... you will find that often you need a sunfire AND a hydra to be useful late game when the waves start stacking up.

AbyssphereApr 29, 20161 votes

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Tank ekko is a thing. By lowering base damage and increasing scaling, tank ekko becomes less attractive.

All of those supports except nunu have AoEs that effect minions. that IS waveclear. Braum has no AoE outside his ult; he doesnt have any kind of waveclear at all and if you play him... you will find that often you need a sunfire AND a hydra to be useful late game when the waves start stacking up.

Did you read my post? I asked you why you need to rework Ekko to change his numbers around, I didn't ask why you want to change his numbers. Everyone knows tank Ekko is a thing, what I don't know is why standard balance changes can't affect the change you want.

The DeckownerApr 29, 20161 votes

Changing his numbers is a adjustment not a rework.

And why is a braum needed to waveclear anyways? Where is the adc top laner and jg and mid?

Blazeb0yApr 29, 20161 votes

Yorick Urgot Yorick and Urgot need rework because their kits dont really fit with their champion style, well I mean yorick is a gravedigger and summons ghouls but literally all his 3 abilitis have the same damn skills but with a slightly different affect which isn't unique at all. However, urgot on the other hand has a terrible character portrait and a skill set which makes no sense at all.

l Helios lApr 29, 20161 votes

Can you explain Trundle, Udyr, and Kalista?

The DeckownerApr 29, 20161 votes

Trundle need change because there is no way a tank can fight trundle in any way after qss nerf Udyr simply fit too well with every item u can do ad ap triforce tank support splitpush onhit he does everything so well that he dont really have an identity and items keep getting nerf because he can always somehow abuse them(thnx to trick2g) Kalista's hop is literally the most toxic ability a ranged champ can ever have, no matter how many times rito nerf her she will still be viable until she reach yorick state

l Helios lApr 29, 20161 votes

Plenty of tanks can fight Trundle after the changes. Darius does fine against Trundle, as does Renekton early and a few others. I don't recall any tanks I've played against as Trundle buying QSS to use it on my ult. Tbh, I don't think that many people actually knew you could QSS his ult until the issue of the QSS change showed up. Also he's already been changed up, and he performs fine in his role as a tan-buster. Pre-6 he loses to a few select picks and can be dealt with. If he's a problem after that, just go for the tabi-thornmail combo. Or pick Rammus.

Udyr...maybe. I would hesitate to say that several items have been nerfed solely because of him. Trick is one who spitefully tries to break the game with Udyr, and he has a decent following because of it. I'll agree with him having a confusing identity but not as not having one altogether. He is pretty much known as the splitpush god, which is fine to balance around imo.

Kalista passive isn't toxic in itself. What hurts is the lack of point and click cc that has been coming around lately. Only ones I can think of are Urgot ult, Malz ult, Ryze W, Warwick ult, maybe Vayne E, Liss ult, Alistar, and ___ for the ones I'm forgetting. We lost Taric's old E, which was pretty helpful since she can dodge skillshots while attacking, and we may lose more. But all Kalista's passive does is encourage effective kiting at the cost of being a very mechanically demanding champion at higher atk speeds. That's a high cost for really good kiting potential imo. I don't feel like Kalista is toxic just because her passive is easy to mess up and really demanding for ADC players.

The DeckownerApr 30, 20161 votes

I personally have a hard time dealing with trundle as tank in the top lane, and I see most of the LCS top trundles destroy their tank opponents too(except prenerf ekko), so i personally think he need changes.

rito might be considering "jack of all trades" as udyr's identity i guess

kalista does not just encourge kiting, it allows theoriotically infinite dmg stacking and mobility as long as the player is capable with the intense mechanic behind it, which is honestly not a good thing. whenever rito nerf a champion over and over again and the champion is still one of the highest tier champion of the class there must be something wrong with their kit.

WoonStruckApr 29, 20161 votes

Post-rework Vlad.

The DeckownerApr 29, 20161 votes

Good one*[zombie-brand-clap]*

DrackolusApr 29, 20161 votes

Honestly, I'm starting to think Soraka needs another one. The newer changes have merits, but ultimately I think they just haven't hit the right design angle yet and it just needs to be redesigned. Again. Still not fun to play against. Now her offense is overloaded and she fills less of the "primary healer" ideal than ever before. The only thing keeping her there is her ult.

The DeckownerApr 30, 20161 votes

the change basically made her q spammable as fuck and making her heal take a little bit longer whoch really isnt a change to a good direction. maybe it is just very hard to balance a pure healer champion's kit.

DrackolusApr 30, 20161 votes

It definitely is. I've been saying healing over time is the wrong direction since before it went live. It's inherently geared towards safe, out of combat healing - the exact thing they are trying to fix. I'm interacting even less than before. EDIT: same goes for taking out multi-target scaling. Now I just wanna slap the tank and hang in the back.