Mage mains complaining about mana costs.

M Schumacher·Jan 19, 2015·14 votes·864 views

Meanwhile bruiser mains get killed in 2.5 seconds while having 300 armor because ADC mains built a 2300g item.

27 Comments

AbyssphereJan 19, 201511 votes

There's enough room on the boards to complain about multiple things at one time. Bruisers and mages are both hurting.

NinjaFiferJan 20, 20151 votes

This is exactly what I came here to say.

SookoJan 19, 20154 votes

Can't we just buff both mana and armor? :]

Or nerf Energy/Resourceless and Penetration to their level?

My point is: this isn't a one buff to rule them all! kind of thing, so both mana and defense can be saved.

GorszJan 20, 20154 votes

I played adc before, and that just isnt true at all.

Pandemic PunchJan 19, 20153 votes

If you have 300 armor then you should not be fighting the ADC alone. You might be shocked at how much more you can tank when you fight with your team rather than alone.

M SchumacherJan 19, 20155 votes

[{quoted}](name=Lil Froobz,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=OLuqiEAb,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2015-01-19T22:41:03.672+0000)

If you have 300 armor then you should not be fighting the ADC alone. You might be shocked at how much more you can tank when you fight with your team rather than alone.

Implying I was fighting the ADC alone, lel. Good thing the enemy ADC can right click me to death while I can't get anywhere near them in a teamfight.

ADC main detected

DecritJan 19, 20154 votes

Doooo you know hou much uneffiucient becomes armor after 200 points, do you? And how much you are making yourself weak to last whisper, right?

You just needed to build a bit more HP and juggle less :P Also... which adc was? Because even more at reason Varus or Vayne deletes you, for example...

Pandemic PunchJan 19, 20153 votes

[{quoted}](name=M Schumacher,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=OLuqiEAb,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2015-01-19T22:42:31.999+0000)

Implying I was fighting the ADC alone, lel. Good thing the enemy ADC can right click me to death while I can't get anywhere near them in a teamfight.

ADC main detected

Support and tank top more often. Just recently picked up Sion and I think I am 8-3 in ranked so far. I build him pure tank and it takes an eternity for people to kill me. The point of fighting with the team is to take all of the focus off of the damage dealers. If they focus you when you are super tanky then they are making a giant mistake. As Sion they really can't ignore you either though :-)

AHeroNamedHawkeJan 19, 20154 votes

[{quoted}](name=Lil Froobz,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=OLuqiEAb,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2015-01-19T22:41:03.672+0000)

If you have 300 armor then you should not be fighting the ADC alone.

What.

Pandemic PunchJan 19, 20154 votes

Yes.... If you invested all of your gold to have 300 armor it means you have very little damage more often than not so it is not a good idea to attempt to dual 1v1 and get kited all day. If you build pure tank then you will be doing a disservice to your team if you keep trying to get kills. Instead of running around team deathmatch style, you should soak damage while your damage dealers are backing you up.

I know teamwork is a hard concept for a lot of people to understand.

AHeroNamedHawkeJan 20, 20153 votes

[{quoted}](name=Lil Froobz,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=OLuqiEAb,comment-id=000000010000,timestamp=2015-01-19T23:42:02.201+0000)

Yes.... If you invested all of your gold to have 300 armor it means you have very little damage more often than not so it is not a good idea to attempt to dual 1v1 and get kited all day. If you build pure tank then you will be doing a disservice to your team if you keep trying to get kills. Instead of running around team deathmatch style, you should soak damage while your damage dealers are backing you up.

I know teamwork is a hard concept for a lot of people to understand.

Right I forgot, the squishy sustained damage dealer that needs protection to function should be drain tanking 300 armor bruisers in a 1v1

My b

Pandemic PunchJan 20, 20153 votes

You missed the point about kiting and the tank having no damage items. Example: A full tank Sion should never 1v1 an ADC who has great kiting potential.

Your bad.

AHeroNamedHawkeJan 20, 20151 votes

[{quoted}](name=Lil Froobz,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=OLuqiEAb,comment-id=00000001000000000000,timestamp=2015-01-20T01:17:38.082+0000)

You missed the point about kiting and the tank having no damage items. Example: A full tank Sion should never 1v1 an ADC who has great kiting potential.

Your bad.

What is thornmail and base damage

And you seemed to have missed the point that a squishy sustained dps class isn't supposed to be dueling people

NarasimhaJan 20, 20151 votes

And you seemed to have missed the point that a squishy sustained dps class isn't supposed to be dueling people

Since... when? Thats literally all a duel is. A battle of sustained damage until one side gives out or runs away. All that happens with adcs is that the longer the game goes, the shorter the duel becomes.

AHeroNamedHawkeJan 20, 20153 votes

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Since... when? Thats literally all a duel is. A battle of sustained damage until one side gives out or runs away. All that happens with adcs is that the longer the game goes, the shorter the duel becomes.

ADCs chunk out everything over time and have the highest dps

This is balanced out by dying when breathed on

When they stop dying theres a problem

Pandemic PunchJan 20, 20151 votes

All an ADC does is duel. That is it's job. LOL

NarasimhaJan 20, 20151 votes

Now I could be wrong, but i believe that assassins are also an issue right now. As in, the people that breathe on adcs and knock them down.

Pandemic PunchJan 20, 20151 votes

[{quoted}](name=Charles Barklius,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=OLuqiEAb,comment-id=000000010000000000000000,timestamp=2015-01-20T01:22:59.469+0000)

What is thornmail and base damage

And you seemed to have missed the point that a squishy sustained dps class isn't supposed to be dueling people

so do you get the thornmail before or after the 300 armor? you still have no damage. and all a ADC does is DUEL

AHeroNamedHawkeJan 20, 20152 votes

[{quoted}](name=Lil Froobz,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=OLuqiEAb,comment-id=0000000100000000000000000001,timestamp=2015-01-20T02:54:27.009+0000)

so do you get the thornmail before or after the 300 armor? you still have no damage. and all a ADC does is DUEL

Why do I even bother coming here

You know what sure, it's impossible to buy Thornmail as part of 300 armor and ADCs are the immortal god kings of 1v1

Tanks should grovel at their feet and be drain tanked

I quit

All this silver is giving me lung cancer

Pandemic PunchJan 20, 20151 votes

Lol! You know you are arguing BS now. You are clinging to the point out of spite.

Anyway, if you have a brain, you know that I did not say that it is impossible to have thornmail as being part of a 300 armor build.

However, you keep missing the point that I am making. I am trying to get you to understand that if you invest into that many defensive items, you won't be able to duel with a good ADC due to the lack of damage. He could kite you anywhere. Obviously there are a few champions that can build pure tank and do ok, but everything can be situational if we want to go that far with it.

RoyaiChaosJan 20, 20153 votes

But Bruisers really only need 2.5 seconds (or less) to kill the adc....

agbudarJan 20, 20153 votes

here is a funny one this works against everyone except yasuo (so ban him and you are good) once you hit around 400 armor it doesnt matter how much they reduce it you will still have an almost maxed out benefit from armor hence all the adc mains are screaming for rammus nerfs.

(which he doesn't need)

Leblancs BoobJan 19, 20152 votes

Well mages are slowing become bruisers.. Mages can't mid anymore because of assassins so guess where they're all going to go

junglerboy16Jan 20, 20152 votes

—and soon bruisers will all start playing as assassins since they can't really benefit from tanking up, and then it will all come down to who has a real resource and who doesn't.

OperationDEEZ1Jan 19, 20151 votes

Why can't we both agree that both mages and tank/bruisers suck this preseason?

M SchumacherJan 20, 20151 votes

balbraakselJan 20, 20151 votes

With penetration being so efficient I'm surprised Jinx isn't build as support frequently yet with an AD caster build. If that'd happen maybe then Riot would change penetration...

Get CDR and loads of AD and Zap!'s on 3,6 seconds cooldown with 140% AD scaling, her ultimate 36 seconds (like, WTF?) you wreck turrets easily and you become the target of assassins instead of your ADC. Counters are supports that have a range of >550 that can guaranteed bite back with CC, like Alistar's Headbutt.