How to make Katarina not so delicate?

Wild Wes··2 votes·915 views

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So I just bought Katarina yesterday, and I played one PvP using her. When I was playing, before I had a lot of Ability Power I was dying like crazy - was like 1/9/5 (and yes, I know I'm a newb but I don't usually lose this bad)! Anyway, as the game went I got more Ability Power and got a few more kills. But I want to know how to make her not so delicate! I've see YouTube videos where they're just using Katarina's Passive over and over but unless you have a lot more Ability Power or Attack Damage I find that she's pretty much worthless! Please prove me wrong!

19 Comments

TeemoJenkins2 votes

She's an AP Assassin... they are all squishy, she has to play safe until she hits her power curve with her ult.

Wild Wes1 votes

Again I'm a newb. Don't know what you're saying.

Eedat2 votes

I'm really not trying to be mean, but saying "I've played one game as X champion and have idea for how to improve her/him" isn't exactly a valid point

Wild Wes1 votes

I'm asking for an idea of how to improve her/him. I'm a ****ing newb. I don't know how to improve!

Kãtãrinã2 votes

You have to play her correctly, Shes an assassin. Early game youy have to poke but when you start rolling you can sooner or later almost 1v5 if not CCed.

Wild Wes1 votes

Remember, I'm a newb. I don't speak LoL. I don't know what you're saying.

katt52 votes

Okay in order to make Katarina less fragile you need to build the proper items.

However since early game you will not have items you need to play like you will die at 1 hit and try to last hit with Q as much as possible if it is unsafe to kill the creeps otherwise. Anyways...

To build Katarina you need to:

-Get boots fast, they make you go fast, so you can dodge the skillshots. You will want to upgrade them to Mobis later for more speed -After that buy Ludens. This item also makes you go fast and it also gives you some AP. -After this you should buy Iceborn Gauntlet because it makes you tankier against AD and if you use your E to jump to somebody and auto them they will be slowed. -Build Sunfire Cape, since you want to be on top of people to use ult and its passive will deal even more damage to them -You also need to protect from AP so you can choose between Spirit Visage or Banshee's Veil (if you are still getting hit by spells even with all your movespeed build Banshees since it will block 1 of them) -Finally round off your build with Guardian Angel so they have to kill you twice.

Full build:

mobis Ludens Iceborn Sunfire Spirit/Banshee's GA

It doesn't matter that you don't have much damage just wait until somebody is low and use your combo on them and reset, ks your entire team this way for e-z penta

#pray2ganesha

ModWulf Helhammer4 votes

Dude, this is just mean. The guy is level 14, don't give trolly advice

katt51 votes

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Dude, this is just mean. The guy is level 14, don't give trolly advice

How about you test build before you flame it plz

ModWulf Helhammer3 votes

Yeah, sure, you're telling him some items that will make her more durable, but she will do next to no damage. It's a troll build, that will only lead to him getting griefed in game

katt51 votes

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Yeah, sure, you're telling him some items that will make her more durable, but she will do next to no damage. It's a troll build, that will only lead to him getting griefed in game

Again test build before flame you can clearly see it has Ludens for damage and for a bit more damage sunfire with Kata ks typical playstyle it is plenty. Also u can slow for chase with the Iceborn

Ravenhale2 votes

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Again test build before flame you can clearly see it has Ludens for damage and for a bit more damage sunfire with Kata ks typical playstyle it is plenty. Also u can slow for chase with the Iceborn

Why use Iceborn with a Mana Pool when there is Rylai's? Is it for the Armor? Your build looks like an AP Bruiser, which is fine, but I think the Gauntlet is somewhat wasted on Katarina. Also wouldn't Sorc Shoes work out in more situations than Mobi, which loses most of its bonus MS the moment you attack or are attacked? I have no qualms with a Kat running AP Bruiser. It's more fun to play with and against than a "surprise, you dead" glass cannon.

Kat Head3 votes

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Why use Iceborn with a Mana Pool when there is Rylai's? Is it for the Armor? Your build looks like an AP Bruiser, which is fine, but I think the Gauntlet is somewhat wasted on Katarina. Also wouldn't Sorc Shoes work out in more situations than Mobi, which loses most of its bonus MS the moment you attack or are attacked? I have no qualms with a Kat running AP Bruiser. It's more fun to play with and against than a "surprise, you dead" glass cannon.

His shoe choice is obviously for roaming but a liability when fighting. The rest of his build would have worked pretty good directly after her rework, but voyboy popularized tankarina and her base damages were gutted and later her ratios were gutted. People can play the game how they like, but that build will not be very good at killing stuff in a timely manner.

If he wants to play tanky it should be something like

item 3001 item 3157 item 3020 item 3116 item 3151 + last item item 3026 or item 3102 or item 3083

Still would have enough pen for soft targets and 2700 hp + last item, good poke before fights and some utility with slow. Really good aram build.

katt51 votes

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His shoe choice is obviously for roaming but a liability when fighting. The rest of his build would have worked pretty good directly after her rework, but voyboy popularized tankarina and her base damages were gutted and later her ratios were gutted. People can play the game how they like, but that build will not be very good at killing stuff in a timely manner.

If he wants to play tanky it should be something like

item 3001 item 3157 item 3020 item 3116 item 3151 + last item item 3026 or item 3102 or item 3083

Still would have enough pen for soft targets and 2700 hp + last item, good poke before fights and some utility with slow. Really good aram build.

That could work, although you wouldn't have as much in resistances, maybe sunfire could be one of the last items? Personally for me bruiser katarina is to unexpectedly tank damage, draw aggro, etc while still being able to last hit for da resets etc.

katt51 votes

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Why use Iceborn with a Mana Pool when there is Rylai's? Is it for the Armor? Your build looks like an AP Bruiser, which is fine, but I think the Gauntlet is somewhat wasted on Katarina. Also wouldn't Sorc Shoes work out in more situations than Mobi, which loses most of its bonus MS the moment you attack or are attacked? I have no qualms with a Kat running AP Bruiser. It's more fun to play with and against than a "surprise, you dead" glass cannon.

Ah that is true about Iceborn. I just personally like its slow better than Rylais, i think that Rylais has a weaker slow but I could be wrong on that. Rylais would probably be better though yeah.

Also Sorcs could work as long as you grap Alacrity.

Rustling Bush2 votes

its a matter of if or not you should go in, you must be thinking that katarina is just a faceroll champion at all points of the game, but in honesty you need a lot of momentum to be outright strong.

heres how you play her, you max q, you poke with q, and if the opputunity presents itself (meaning you know their damage ability is on cd) e and w before then walk back, make sure they don't have any slows or snares up to or you'll be outraded. katarina laning phase is pretty bad, if you want early game kills it will probably be from roaming.

post 6 don't expect much either, just keep passively trading until the opportunity presents itself (jungler ganks and cc's, just qew if flash isn't burnt, or qwe ignite and r if his health is at 20%, may land you the kill)

i don't play katarina much but its just a matter of when you should and shouldn't go in, if they can knock you out of your ult then don't go in, if they can't then in your ult you will outsustain most thanks in part to the e damage reduction.

Zorae421 votes

She's an assassin, which means she does lots of damage, has high mobility, but is super squishy.

You generally want to play really safe and just use your Q to farm from far away until you hit level 6 and built your first big AP (ability power) item (unless your opponent gets really low, then maybe you can try to jump on them).

She's really vulnerable to CC (crowd control), so you have to judge when to go in or they'll shut you down before you can do anything.

I'd suggest playing against bots (AI), until you get a feel for when to go in. Although they aren't the best teacher. I know I managed to get a pentakill against bots with her, and then did terrible when trying to play against real people with her. But it should give you a better starting point.

Wild Wes1 votes

Again, don't speak LoL. Thanks for explaining all the acronyms, but I still don't know what crowd control means.

Kat Head1 votes

To make Katarina less delicate you need to feed her, you see the skinny girl is so frail. If you add a little bling to her attire she bulks up a lot. JK !

;p

Actually she is stupid fragile from the start to the finish of the game. She has the lowest hp of all melee champions and very low health regen. She is extremely high risk, if you land a kill you MUST move so quickly your adversaries can not target you. Your Ultimate is your highest damage ability by a ton, but it is basically a form of self crowd control and every team is going to have multiple forms of cc for you. Her early game has been nerfed massively (was already weak), you should not win lane vs anything. Farm without feeding your opponet pre 6, @ level 6 roam bottom if they are pushed. In a fair fight, Katarina almost always loses. Katarina was a weak duelist with dfg, since it was removed she simply cannot 1 v 1 without health / item / level / summoner advantages.

Katarinas E or Shunpo is her only escape and gap closer, only use this when you are committed to the play (think you can land the kill ). Basically only use this in lane to farm under turret or to escape jungle ganks by hopping to a ward. When you become more experienced you can use this to harass certain champions.

In the masterys you need to make sure you have Dangerous Game, it is really the only important mastery on Katarina. It keeps you alive when you get resets (or kill steals, because that is what she thrives on early game.). If that mastery were removed I think her winrate would drop another 1 or 2%. For Runes - Armor seals vs ad champs like zed other wise Scaling health per level seals, some type of mr glyphs, magic pen reds and either Move Speed Quints (I prefer MS) or AP Quints. There are other good options / combinations for runes but these are more than good enough to get you started.

Once team fights start, you basically afk in the back waiting for enemy cc to come out on other champions or waiting for a good chance to kill steal. Knowing when you can enter a fight and how you play team fights is the most difficult part of playing katarina. These are her strengths (and they are huge), if you do it correctly. However against many teams you simply will not have a win condition either because of the enemy teams comp or your team is weak. Generally if you think you can get half of your ultimate off on 2 or 3 people it is worth using, but when you lead with ultimate you generally will die a lot more. Zhonyas is crucial to making Kat work in team fights because it allows you to enter fights earlier than you should and enter team fights you should not enter at all. There are times when a kat initiation ult into zhonyas can be really good, I would not try it yet though. ;p

Holy crap I just typed a really crappy mini guide.

Katarina is an addiction, so fun to play. I find moving through team fights correctly and rapidly very challenging and extremely intoxicating. If you cannot do this well, you will be reported for feeding. If you go in at the wrong times, you will die and get reported for feeding. I hope you keep playing her, she is worth the effort although weak in this meta and weak over all. No champion has ever held my attention as well as this one, I do not think any other could.

EDIT: Did not realize you were not 30.

New advice:

Play her every single time you can until you hit level 30, I am not telling you to feed but to truely understand a champions limits you need to push them. Play passive until level 6 and after you hit 6 and get your ultimate, go ham. You should learn a lot while leveling.

When you hit level 30 bump this thread and tell us what problems you are having playing kat.

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