Zed winrate is 47% - A lesson to players who ignore the value of teamfights.

FistOfSharkiesha··1 votes·934 views

Zed is one of the safest mid laners in the game with great farming and harass, so why is his winrate so low? Because he's an AD assassin in the mid lane, a role meant to be filled by an AP mage, especially when the rest of your team lacks AP. In Silver 2, I still see people autolock Zed last pick when our entire team has 0 AP. I cannot tell you how many games I've lost because our Zed goes 5/0 in lane, then explodes in teamfights and we can't scratch the enemy jg or top laner because they stacked AR.

With a few exceptions, mid needs to be a mage, and top needs to be a tank or bruiser. Unless your team comp is already good enough, you should not be taking AD assassins when your team desperately needs tankiness or AP.

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Guy Fox Teemo3 votes

47% Win rate on people who are bad with him lol,

Sir Yamazuki1 votes

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47% Win rate on people who are bad with him lol,

It's actually 44, but yeah that's why it's at 47.

360D3GR3SS1 votes

OR you could just acknowledge that zed has no kill pressure in a late game teamfight because of how much peeling and other tools the carries have to prevent themselves from receiving damage from him or his ultimate.

Guy Fox Teemo1 votes

If your a good zed you can kill anyone bud ;)

360D3GR3SS1 votes

LoL ok tell that to any LCS player or any high elo player who mains zed. RedMercy (who is know for playing zed at high elo) or zed is god. They both agree with what I said. Even the LoL announcers themselves say that. You can easily say "if your good with X champion you can kill anyone bud ;)"

Guy Fox Teemo1 votes

LCS doesn't = solo queue, Theres a difference between a coordinated team who can shut down a Zed easy in fights and focus him with hard CC, vs Solo queue.

360D3GR3SS1 votes

As you will notice I also said any high elo player who mains like red mercy or zed is god. Both of these do not play professionally.

AtheosisX2 votes

His win rate is fine on players who play him a lot. He's kind of like Azir in that sense, though not as extreme. Zed is not even remotely in a bad place right now. He's just balanced finally.

Angry Monster2 votes

Did you even bother reading the post? This was about people picking AD zed when the jungle, and top were already AD. The point was not that zed is weak, that all AD teams are easy to itemize against.

Lord Azır1 votes

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Did you even bother reading the post? This was about people picking AD zed when the jungle, and top were already AD. The point was not that zed is weak, that all AD teams are easy to itemize against.

And armor + hp stacking tanks are easy to itemize against aswell item 3142 item 3071 item 3035 item 3153

More tank shredding than you'll ever need, most of this is overkill to kill the enemy mid laner, supp or adc.

Angry Monster1 votes

not really. when the front line is all running 400+ AR you are not going to kill everyone.

Lord Azır1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Angry Monster,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=OBn0z303,comment-id=0004000000000000,timestamp=2015-10-02T22:28:10.544+0000)

not really. when the front line is all running 400+ AR you are not going to kill everyone.

No but when you can still insta delete 2/3 of their team then what do they have left after that? Some tanks that just have 400 armor and do no damage? Not to mention this player is mentioning silver 2, where players don't even know how to itemize properly and just 90% of the time build full damage.

insaiyanbacca1 votes

well ideally the enemy team would see this AD comp in champ select(if its draft) and someone will pick rammus who gets AD from stacking armor and can break up anything that tries to dive and still does decent aoe damage on top of the with his ult. other then that garen and darius do pretty good damage and are common picks top if they aren't banned as well as being tanky. but this is all theoretical from my point of view cause i dont do draft or ranked very often.

FistOfSharkiesha1 votes

Exactly. It's about AD assassins ruining team comps. Zed is one of the worst teamfighters in the game. The best you can hope to do is kill their adc but that rarely happens against good team comps. I'm being downvoted by Zed fanboys who always isntalock him without discretion so it's good to see 1 person gets my point.

AtheosisX1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Angry Monster,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=OBn0z303,comment-id=00040000,timestamp=2015-10-02T22:14:46.488+0000)

Did you even bother reading the post? This was about people picking AD zed when the jungle, and top were already AD. The point was not that zed is weak, that all AD teams are easy to itemize against.

So...your point is what exactly? Yeah, don't pick an AD mid with and AD top and Jungle. Duh. You could swap in Talon for Zed in that case. It could just as well be said that you shouldn't pick an AD top or jungle with a Zed on your team. It's called being mindful of one's team comp.

Sett up 4my gank1 votes

Almost every part of this post is wrong.

Sorioku1 votes

"In Silver 2" You're good now bro

LadyRenly1 votes

mid doesn't "need" to be anything, Zed being AD is not the problem.

deJasper361 votes

What about vlad rumble and ryze?

Lord Azır1 votes

He has a 47% win rate cause bronze and silvers think they are the next Faker and belong in at least Diamond. Every time they lose it's always their teams fault. They never lane swap with their top lane or ADC past 20 minutes to start split pushing and just constantly roam around trying to get random kills instead.

Leblancs Boob1 votes

There's nothing wrong with Zed mid and you dont need a mage to occupy mid. Like you said Zed has an extremely safe lane while having great farm and harass which means he's capable of setting the enemy mid laner so far behind that essentially they shouldn't be of value to their team. If the Zed is not pushing his lead and roaming / splitpushing / teamfighting while he's so far ahead then he's simply not a good Zed player. Zed is still a fantastic pick as a mid laner.

DrNova1 votes

You have no idea what you are talking about.

Zed's win rate dropped some because there are usually less squishies for him to burst and a lot more cc in games.

ThePartyLeader1 votes

You don't have to wait till 40 minutes to win though. And you don't have to kill champions to win. Just get ahead and push turrets. I would rather a zed main play zed than azir just because we need ap.

FistOfSharkiesha1 votes

Good to see nobody read the thread. It's about people autolocking champions that screw up team compositon.

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