If you were going to gut AP Shaco

Kr1sys·Jul 15, 2017·2 votes·371 views

The least you could've done was shift some of it's 'power' to its now superior AD build

13 Comments

SwiftKitten88Jul 15, 20171 votes

.. yeah lets cry about the champ that has 52+ % winrate in every elo... who's entire kit is designed to piss off your opponent, who's whole lore and kit are completely toxic. to face despite anyone counterplay it offers. there is no kit in the game that is more toxic to have to deal with.

this is the person your asking to buff.... [zombie-brand-facepalm]

DoozkuJul 15, 20171 votes

You know they didn't nerf any AP on shaco right? His Shiv does physical damage but scales off of AP.

Kr1sysJul 15, 20171 votes

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You know they didn't nerf any AP on shaco right? His Shiv does physical damage but scales off of AP.

Them changing the ability to physical damage is a nerf to AP Shaco. His boxes already don't take advantage of any magical on-hit capability like Rylais or Liandry's. Now he doesn't gain any benefit from either item, and those are only two examples.

DoozkuJul 15, 20171 votes

Yes but now he does mixed damage which means he's harder to itemize against. He pokes you down with physical damage E's but he kills you with boxes. I'd say that its actually a buff for AP Shaco, and if not then its dead even, since he doesn't benefit from pen.

WarHero54Jul 16, 20171 votes

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Yes but now he does mixed damage which means he's harder to itemize against. He pokes you down with physical damage E's but he kills you with boxes. I'd say that its actually a buff for AP Shaco, and if not then its dead even, since he doesn't benefit from pen.

No it means he's harder to build in general as AP. Boxes do absolute no damage late game and get destroyed by either 1 shots or aoe when activated. AP shaco falls super hard mid to late game.

YumaS2AstralJul 16, 20171 votes

Actually, Rylai and Liandry both can be activated with physical damage abilities.

WarHero54Jul 16, 20171 votes

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Actually, Rylai and Liandry both can be activated with physical damage abilities.

Liandry saids in its kit magic damage procs its passive, as well as Morellonomicon. Last time I tried it didn't proc. Morellonomicon used to be part of my core kit for AP Shaco.

WarHero54Jul 16, 20171 votes

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You know they didn't nerf any AP on shaco right? His Shiv does physical damage but scales off of AP.

Thus destroying pure AP builds. Bunch of posts explaining it.

UnboundHadesJul 16, 20171 votes

Go watch pink wards video on the topic

WarHero54Jul 16, 20171 votes

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Go watch pink wards video on the topic

Even pink ward stopped going full AP so I mean that saids a lot right there. Its either AD jungle or Hybrid now hes playing. He even said it was his opinion and that it may be true that AP shaco builds are dead.

SanKakUJul 15, 20171 votes

I think AD Shaco is in a good spot at the moment.

What they should probably do is improve the AP scaling for Shaco's passive, and if that's not enough, improve the clone explosion damage AP scaling.

Kr1sysJul 15, 20171 votes

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I think AD Shaco is in a good spot at the moment.

What they should probably do is improve the AP scaling for Shaco's passive, and if that's not enough, improve the clone explosion damage AP scaling.

I think it's alright too. Just the change to his E makes AP incredibly difficult to do outside of ARAM

SanKakUJul 15, 20171 votes

I didn't like him before this latest change TBH. The Jack in the Box unlisted change(duration scaling for trap invisibility) was nice, but he needs a bit more to be good as AP in my opinion. At the moment it seems like AP Shaco doesn't really get rewarded for chasing so you're kind of stuck using all your traps in one place and hoping they bring a ton of damage at some point. Can't be the most reliable tactic, but might be fun.

Maybe the rune page changes will shake things up for AP Shaco and make that style of play good again.