Azir has %43.5 win rate and has %40 win rate for 125+ games
He really needs buffs and didn't pick Lck,Lcs or other regions.Also Azir is very bad pick for solo queue.Excuse for Riot? Make something for this champion.
He really needs buffs and didn't pick Lck,Lcs or other regions.Also Azir is very bad pick for solo queue.Excuse for Riot? Make something for this champion.
Thats what people said about Nidalee last patch.. Now she has a higher win rate than Tahm, the unkillable god that 1v5s every team Kappa
But seriously, I always found Azir pretty unrewarding to play because you have to think about so much stuff and it feels like you get oneshot by a Karthus auto attack lol.
Thats what people said about Nidalee last patch.. Now she has a higher win rate than Tahm, the unkillable god that 1v5s every team Kappa
But seriously, I always found Azir pretty unrewarding to play because you have to think about so much stuff and it feels like you get oneshot by a Karthus auto attack lol.
Azir is weak for experienced players.Unfortunately not rewarding.
He isn't weak just very very hard to play and a one of the best Champs to have in a teamfight. Lol I ulted someone in wolf camp and killed the jungler cause he was trapped lol and had to take my w. Spell vamp works great on him every basic a soldier does procs spell vamp. the buff I see that would be good would be to make his ult wider as In longer
He isn't weak just very very hard to play and a one of the best Champs to have in a teamfight. Lol I ulted someone in wolf camp and killed the jungler cause he was trapped lol and had to take my w. Spell vamp works great on him every basic a soldier does procs spell vamp. the buff I see that would be good would be to make his ult wider as In longer
No.He is very weak absolutely.No such thing with hardly.
I don't think he is weak just hard to play. I mean I wish the soldiers proced rageblade they don't sadly nor runaans. He is just really tech if his soldiers blocked projectiles that would be good
I don't think he is weak just hard to play. I mean I wish the soldiers proced rageblade they don't sadly nor runaans. He is just really tech if his soldiers blocked projectiles that would be good
Not enough for to be played or viable.
i mean a lower ult cd and making it stop projectiles like yas windwall i think that would be good. but to me he is just extreemly hard to play and attcking with his soldiers is difficult in my opinion. i mean if they are in range of azirs actual aa rage blade works like a boss becuase thats doublke the aa that your doing
I agree, but indirect buffs could absolutely tear apart the pro seen. He needs a rework if he ever wants to have a good solo q winrate and not be 100% pick ban in the pros.
Problem with Azir is that he is either insanely oppressive and way too strong or he's just completely useless. The last buff to his insec move and mobility might help some people, but most players won't be able to pull it off. Azir seems kinda impossible to balance with the kit he has right now.
Problem with Azir is that he is either insanely oppressive and way too strong or he's just completely useless. The last buff to his insec move and mobility might help some people, but most players won't be able to pull it off. Azir seems kinda impossible to balance with the kit he has right now.
Azir must have %47 or %48 win rate because he is easier than old Azir.
Problem with Azir is that he is either insanely oppressive and way too strong or he's just completely useless. The last buff to his insec move and mobility might help some people, but most players won't be able to pull it off. Azir seems kinda impossible to balance with the kit he has right now.
That "insec" move is literately only done in bronze / silver. You need so many things to be going for you. You need someone to be BESIDE not infront of your soldier AND you need to not use Q to move it to that position. If anyone goes into range of your W and just stands beside it like that, then they must be low elo.
He's too mechanically difficult. You can't buff him without completely breaking higher elos where people have mastered him, he'd be pick ban in competitive and masters/challenger.
He's too mechanically difficult. You can't buff him without completely breaking higher elos where people have mastered him, he'd be pick ban in competitive and masters/challenger.
Not an excuse.He is garbage everywhere.
Actually, it is an excuse. Riot themselves have stated that Azir's low winrate is due to his insanely high skill ceiling, making it almost impossible to win with him unless you have hundreds of azir games under your belt.
If there's going to be a change, Riot will make him easier to play while nerfing his ability to freelo 1 v 5 if mastered.
Actually, it is an excuse. Riot themselves have stated that Azir's low winrate is due to his insanely high skill ceiling, making it almost impossible to win with him unless you have hundreds of azir games under your belt.
If there's going to be a change, Riot will make him easier to play while nerfing his ability to freelo 1 v 5 if mastered.
But very low not low.Very low.Azir free elo? Lol.Mechanic champion but free elo.Azir isn't 0 skill champion.Azir isn't rewarding and this is very ridiculous.Azir must be %47 or %48 win rate not %43.OK? Do you understand?
I don't think you've ever seen the power of a truly god Azir. Ever.
Once you get to that point you are unkillable and halve everyone health with just two or three soldier autoes. His potential is through the roof. Although since you're just talking about winrates I'm assuming you don't understand that there are factors outside of this.
I don't think you've ever seen the power of a truly god Azir. Ever.
Once you get to that point you are unkillable and halve everyone health with just two or three soldier autoes. His potential is through the roof. Although since you're just talking about winrates I'm assuming you don't understand that there are factors outside of this.
Even Easyhoon didn't pick him.Because he is very weak for everywhere.Win rates show everything.Yes,true everything.I'm saying 125+ games only %40 win.What did you understand rewarding words?
I don't think you've ever seen the power of a truly god Azir. Ever.
Alright I dislike having to default to this but your argument is basically "You are not seeing high enough level play thus your argument is bad" so I am going to check your stats.
Yep, unranked... what a surprise. You shouldn't talk down to Akatsuki Deidara (OP) when your stats are so abysmally low.... so basically "He's never seen a good Azir" neither have you , Mr. Aram.
You can check my main. UltraSceptile.
I'm plat 4. I never claimed to see good azirs. Doesn't mean he's insanely strong if he's mastered.
We all saw how bullshit azir was even when his winrate was 45%. He was pick/ban in competitive and an absolute monstrosity.
BTW, OP is level 4 according to his forum account. So technically I have better stats than him if we're using forum accounts to judge.
So why don't you bring a better argument to the table, before then, why don't YOU not talk?
You can check my main. UltraSceptile.
Post on your main and then I'll believe you.
I'm plat 4. I never claimed to see good azirs
Even if you had, your argument is garbage because the statistics do not bare out what you are arguing. Azir has a terribly low pick rate with an abysmally low win rate. He needs buffs, he is trash. http://champion.gg/champion/Azir 43.6% win rate 3.09% pick rate That's absolutely atrocious.
Conversely, look at Morgana; http://champion.gg/champion/Morgana 49.8% win rate (Basically 50%) 13.6% pick rate
Given that we know, higher pick rate tends to deflate win rate... and lower pick rate tends to inflate win rate, this Azir is incredibly much worse than Morgana... I cannot stress enough how these numbers collected over thousands of matches at Plat and Diamond, indicate that Azir is putrid scoriae.... but sure, try to deny with your pseudo anecdotal non-argument. Deflect, deny and dodge is a common tactic when arguing against statistics.
If you look at my last posts, I never said he's not WEAK. I just said because he had the massive potential to slaughter he cannot be buffed unless they changed his kit. I said buffs would cause him to be insanely broken in masters/challenger and in competitive.
I said Riot would have to rework his kit in some way so that he doesn't require such a massive skill ceiling while nerfing his potential, so people won't end up feeding their asses off their first 200 games with azir. Meanwhile this guy just wants straight up buffs and I was calmly pointing out that because his potential is too high that would never happen.
Did you even bother reading my posts?
As for my main, it got permad off boards. I'll admit that outright, I was pissed at someone and said something I shouldn't have. Judge me if you want, I was bad at controlling my temper online and typing shit I wouldn't say to someone in real life. Otherwise you can add me on my main and I'll confirm I am UltraSceptile.
If you look at my last posts, I never said he's not WEAK. I just said because he had the massive potential to slaughter he cannot be buffed unless they changed his kit.
That's a complete non argument. Literally every character has "The potential to slaughter", even Soraka.
I said buffs would cause him to be insanely broken in masters/challenger and in competitive.
Except the stats don't bare out what you are saying. It is nonsense.
As for my main, it got permad off boards.
Yeah sure...
The stats don't bare out what I'm saying. Of course they don't, because he's weak right now.
I'm assuming you didn't see season 5 where azir was basically pick/ban in competitive?
I merely made a suggestion about how to go about making him better to play as for the majority of players without breaking him again. All you can do is pull out winrates and tell me I'm dumb? Go ahead, tell me more.
Ok, fine. Don't believe me, nor take the valuable 20 seconds to validate my story because you know you're wrong? Ok.
The only person being irrational is you, which you apparently cannot see lmfao.
You can check my main. UltraSceptile.
I'm plat 4. I never claimed to see good azirs. Doesn't mean he's insanely strong if he's mastered.
We all saw how bullshit azir was even when his winrate was 45%. He was pick/ban in competitive and an absolute monstrosity.
BTW, OP is level 4 according to his forum account. So technically I have better stats than him if we're using forum accounts to judge.
So why don't you bring a better argument to the table, before then, why don't YOU not talk?
http://tr.op.gg/summoner/userName=Kavun
My stats.Diamond 5 in Turkey Server and I still Azir is garbage soloq and pro scene.
Low pick rate. Low win rate.
But no, let's buff Riven, Zed and Lee. That makes more sense.
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Low pick rate. Low win rate.
But no, let's buff Riven, Zed and Lee. That makes more sense.
You're right.Also not rewarding.Riven got nerf but next patch she got a buff.Or Lee or Zed or Ahri.Riot logic.
Riot said something about reworking Azir slightly in order to decrease his skill floor so he isn't so hard to master or something.
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Riot said something about reworking Azir slightly in order to decrease his skill floor so he isn't so hard to master or something.
I (or Azir mains) don't want Azir rework.We want Azir buffs.
Problem is, making him even slightly decent in solo queue makes him broken competitively. Azir already has a pretty good competitive presence right now, so buffing him without doing anything else would just make him stupidly overpowered there again. That's a problem that needs to be addressed.
I get that you want Azir buffs, but given that it's going to make him too strong in competitive play, that's not a realistic option.
Problem is, making him even slightly decent in solo queue makes him broken competitively. Azir already has a pretty good competitive presence right now, so buffing him without doing anything else would just make him stupidly overpowered there again. That's a problem that needs to be addressed.
I get that you want Azir buffs, but given that it's going to make him too strong in competitive play, that's not a realistic option.
Azir already has a pretty good competitive presence right now.You watch pro scene.Because you aren't watching.Azir didn't competitive since 5.18 patches (Worlds).
Yes he has. Look at esportspedia. He's been consistently played at reasonable rates. He was played two days ago.
You are only wrong here. Saying Azir has not seen competitive play since 5.18 is just wrong. 100% wrong. 0% correct.
If you actually want your champion to be buffed, you have to explain his reasonable competitive play rate. You can't just deny that it exists when even the most rudimentary Google search proves you wrong. That's just silly.
Yes he has. Look at esportspedia. He's been consistently played at reasonable rates. He was played two days ago.
You are only wrong here. Saying Azir has not seen competitive play since 5.18 is just wrong. 100% wrong. 0% correct.
If you actually want your champion to be buffed, you have to explain his reasonable competitive play rate. You can't just deny that it exists when even the most rudimentary Google search proves you wrong. That's just silly.
Azir's score? :) 0-3.
Come on now. You and I both know winrate over the last 3 games means literally nothing, particularly for competitive games. Do you really think I'll believe you misunderstand statistics that much?
Come on now. You and I both know winrate over the last 3 games means literally nothing, particularly for competitive games. Do you really think I'll believe you misunderstand statistics that much?
Azir didn't pick competitive.Didn't pick.Also he is garbage soloq since he was release Do you understand? Ok.Enough explanation for you.You don't have 1 Azir games so stfu.
He has been played in competitive. We already went over this. You can't just say he hasn't when the website we've both seen proves that he has been. It's blatantly false.
You know the funny thing? If you were just arguing that azir is bad in solo queue, everyone would agree with you. You might actually get people fires up about buffing Azir. The only reason you're losing everyone is because you keep insisting that he is bad in competitive play even though every scrap of evidence points to him being fine there. It makes you look like any other delusional and greedy champion main. Sooner or later, you're going to have to come to terms with that.
He has been played in competitive. We already went over this. You can't just say he hasn't when the website we've both seen proves that he has been. It's blatantly false.
You know the funny thing? If you were just arguing that azir is bad in solo queue, everyone would agree with you. You might actually get people fires up about buffing Azir. The only reason you're losing everyone is because you keep insisting that he is bad in competitive play even though every scrap of evidence points to him being fine there. It makes you look like any other delusional and greedy champion main. Sooner or later, you're going to have to come to terms with that.
GTFO. You don't come this title anymore.You're saying if you without knowing.You aren't Azir main and you're saying continuous and unnecessary.You don't want Azir buffs because you're scaring playing against Azir.Also you have not Azir game so why you still talking this topic? Also he didn't play competitive (LCS). 1 time LCK (0-3 score) 1 time LPL (1-3 score) .He is garbage pro scene and solo queue.Enough for buffs.Please don't come this title especially you.You trolled my all sensible topic.Free elo champions main.Azir haters.Aim:Troll.
Edit:I have a data but you haven't.You show datas and then you talk.
You don't want Azir buffs because you're scaring playing against Azir.Also you have not Azir game so why you still talking this topic?
You're wrong on both counts. I do want Azir buffs, but I think they need to be tailored so that they don't make him overbearing in competitive again. I also have played Azir plenty. I've got over 30 games on him. I just don't have them in ranked, because I don't play it, so you don't see them.
This is just insulting. You're making assumptions about me. That's very rude. Quit it. You can afford to be civil even with someone who disagrees with you.
Also he didn't play competitive
Yeah, he has. You cite numbers but you don't give context that is necessary for interpreting them. Here's the context you left out. Over the past two months he has been in the top 45th percentile of picked champions. That's not including every champion that has been unpicked, which is a sizeable portion of them and leaves him in the 60th percentile of picked champions. That points only to him being a good pick. Not amazing, but perfectly fine. His winrate in pro games is frankly irrelevant, as it is always is for professional play. There are too many other factors in play, such as extremely low sample size, which teams pick the champion, which situations the champion is played in, etc. That's why even 100% pick/ban champions can and often do have terrible winrates. From a statistical viewpoint, professional winrate is so confounded and has so little statistical rigor that it means absolutely nothing.
You trolled my all sensible topic.
No. You took a good premise, and ruined it by trying too hard to make Azir look bad and just dismissing counterarguments. You don't answer them, you just pretend that they don't exist and that everyone should take your word for it. You argue from authority and expect us all to just accept it, and you stand here accusing people who don't of being trolls. It's extremely unconvincing, and it encourages everyone to take issue with the obvious flawed points your argument has (your habits of insulting everyone who doesn't play the champion as much as you and downvoting everyone who disagrees with you on the spot don't help either).
Seriously man, I know it's easy to try to simplify dissent into "everyone is trolling me", but that's just an escape from acknowledging that other people have legitimate points to make. Acknowledge and address them and you can win people over. Ignore them, and you're not going to get anything done.
I said it before. A lot of people (including me) agree with you that Azir sucks in solo queue, and that this is a problem that needs to be solved, probably with buffs. Make a thread that isn't so needlessly antagonistic, and acknowledge and respond to the concerns people have, and you actually might convince people.
GTFO. You don't come this title anymore.
Yeah, that's not how this works. Not even a little.
You're wrong on both counts. I do want Azir buffs, but I think they need to be tailored so that they don't make him overbearing in competitive again. I also have played Azir plenty. I've got over 30 games on him. I just don't have them in ranked, because I don't play it, so you don't see them.
This is just insulting. You're making assumptions about me. That's very rude. Quit it. You can afford to be civil even with someone who disagrees with you.
Yeah, he has. You cite numbers but you don't give context. Here's the context you left out. Over the past two months he has been in the top 50th percentile of picked champions. That's not including every champion that has been unpicked, which is a sizeable portion of them. That points only to him being a good pick. Not amazing, but perfectly fine. His winrate in pro games is frankly irrelevant, as it is always is for professional play. There are too many other factors in play, such as extremely low sample size, which teams pick the champion, which situations the champion is played in, etc. That's why even 100% pick/ban champions can and often do have terrible winrates. From a statistical viewpoint, professional winrate is so confounded and has so little statistical rigor that it means absolutely nothing.
No. You took a good premise, and ruined it by trying too hard to make Azir look bad and just dismissing counterarguments. You don't answer them, you just pretend that they don't exist and that everyone should take your word for it. You argue from authority and expect us all to just accept it. It's extremely unconvincing, and it encourages everyone to take issue with the obvious points of your(your habits of insulting everyone who doesn't play the champion as much as you and downvoting everyone who disagrees with you on the spot don't help either.)
I said it before. A lot of people agree with you that Azir sucks in solo queue, and that this is a problem that needs to be solved, probably with buffs. Make a thread that isn't so needlessly antagonistic, and acknowledge and respond to the concerns people have, and you actually might convince people.
Yeah, that's not how this works. Not even a little.
You still don't understand.Azir is difficult champions and he must be rewarding.Rewarding;For experienced players.So he must be played competitive.Ok? Also Azir didn't pick competitive.Also has very bad win rate everywhere.Plat,Diamond,Master,Challenger,Pro plays,Silver,Gold vs vs.He needs buffs(not a buff, buffs) a lot.Because we suffer a lot pain while we playing him.Also you have 30+ Azir games.Is it enough for Azir? Absolutely no!!!!!!!!!! So he though take a buff,he still don't pick in competitive,pro scene.Because he is very weak (garbage) everywhere.Until not pick.
So he must be played competitive.
The point is, he already is played competitively, and he's a good pick there.
The reason that is important is because if he gets buffed to be good in solo queue, then it will make him much better in competitive play as well. If he gets better there, he will quickly go back to being an overbearing pick there. We saw this last season, when he was a terrible solo queue champion but was a 100% pick/ban in competitive play.
Basically, what has happened right now is that he has been balanced around being terrible in solo queue and good in competitive play. You are asking for him to be good in solo queue and extremely overpowered in competitive play (yes, I know you're denying he would be, but frankly I find that argument unsatisfactory because that is exactly what happened with him before).
So, that poses a problem. How do we make him good in both without being overpowered in either? Clearly, straight buffs aren't the answer.
He needs buffs(not a buff, buffs) a lot.
If we want him to be really good in solo queue, then he needs buffs. If we want him to be balanced in both solo queue and professional play, than he needs more rigorous changes.
Also Azir didn't pick competitive.
Still wrong. Just give up on this point. It only makes the argument look bad. Focus on solo queue.
Also has very bad win rate everywhere.
Aside from me having to restate the point that professional winrates are statistically meaningless, you are correct here. It's a problem. It should be fixed. We just disagree on the content of that fix.
Also you have 30+ Azir games.Is it enough for Azir? Absolutely no!!!!!!!!!!
The point is, it is enough to get a hold of his balance state, and even more importantly, it's enough to get you to stop being extremely rude to people by making assumptions. Seriously, don't be a dick.
The point is, he already is played competitively, and he's a good pick there.
The reason that is important is because if he gets buffed to be good in solo queue, then it will make him much better in competitive play as well. If he gets better there, he will quickly go back to being an overbearing pick there. We saw this last season, when he was a terrible solo queue champion but was a 100% pick/ban in competitive play.
Basically, what has happened right now is that he has been balanced around being terrible in solo queue and good in competitive play. You are asking for him to be good in solo queue and extremely overpowered in competitive play (yes, I know you're denying he would be, but frankly I find that argument unsatisfactory because that is exactly what happened with him before).
So, that poses a problem. How do we make him good in both without being overpowered in either? Clearly, straight buffs aren't the answer.
You're saying last season.Last season? **Since Worlds he didn't pick.**For 5-6 months.He didn't pick since Worlds. Both soloq and competitive.He is very bad choice everywhere.Also he doesn't rework.
You're saying last season.Last season?
Oh for the love of god, man, look at what I wrote. I said that last season, before the nerfs, he was good (not amazing) in solo queue, and he was broken in competitive. It was an example of how straight buffs aimed at putting him in a good solo queue spot have risks for competitive play.
Seriously, did you really think I was saying that because he was good last season he's good now? You know that's not what I'm saying. Why would you assume that? Give me a little more credit than that.
I'm actually done with this. You're trying so hard to find holes in what I'm saying that you just jump on the worst assumption you can think of about what I wrote. You're more interested in me being wrong than you are in talking about the champion (or at least, that's how you come off). It is not worth the headache of talking with someone who can't be civil.
azir has a low win rates because of the fact that if you suck at him youre useless, unlike nidalee who can land a spear after spamming 300 and take out a carry or rengar who makes teamfights 4v5 all the time his ult is up
azir has a low win rates because of the fact that if you suck at him youre useless, unlike nidalee who can land a spear after spamming 300 and take out a carry or rengar who makes teamfights 4v5 all the time his ult is up
Old ordinary arguments.You learn this game then you talk about this topic.I'm Azir main and I'm more experienced than you.Learn this game!!!! You have 0 Azir game and why you talk about this topic? Azir hater was here.Yes true 0 Azir game. Nothing.You don't believe all hears
what are you trying to say ? because i didnt play the champion (which is false) i can't tell hes having issues because he's a harder pick than most mids ? because he is, its a fact, he doesnt deserve a buff based on solo queue win rates
what are you trying to say ? because i didnt play the champion (which is false) i can't tell hes having issues because he's a harder pick than most mids ? because he is, its a fact, he doesnt deserve a buff based on solo queue win rates
Ok Ahri,Zed main.I don't care your idea.
Riot says they want to do some QoL buffs that don't really make him stronger but should make his winrate go up quite a bit by making him easier for people to play him without a ton of practice.
Whoa whoa whoa. Hit the brakes!!...You guys better delete this thread before Riot actually takes note of it. I don't want anyone touching my Azir. He's fine the way he is. I don't want him reworked, nerfed or buffed. Leave him be. Only thing Riot should be doing is fixing his bugs. I'm Bronze and if you're having trouble playing him then all I can say is....how does it go ? "Git gud" ?
Just say no to Azir buffs. In Pro scene he always does well. Buffing him causes him to be pick ban there, thus he cannot be buffed until reworked.
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Just say no to Azir buffs. In Pro scene he always does well. Buffing him causes him to be pick ban there, thus he cannot be buffed until reworked.
He didn't pick okey.You have scarce brain.You are 25 level and you don't know this game.If you are Diamond+ elo I care your idea.You don't have a brain.He didn't pick.Didn't.You watch pro scene also you don't say without knowing.Didn't pick Lcs,1 time picked in LCK 0-3 score 1 time picked LPL 1-3 score.You are saying ''In Pro scene he always does well'' STFU. TROLL PEOPLE.