Vayne balanced

The purpose of Olaf's E and Vayne's W are completely different. One is used to shred down tanky engagers and beefy fighters while the other is used to win trades in lane and remain a threat even through tons of armor.

Olaf's isn't even comparable because it's flat, you can easily itemize against it with HP, he also kills himself with it.

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"_ Instead of Vayne going " Pew pew! Got one! Hurhurhur"

This is untrue. It would be more like Pew pew BOOOM since w is triggering on third hit.

"Who's there? Fiora who? Valor, that's just mean!"

really fiora who?

She can smell black magics but that doesn't mean she can handle it ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)[slayer-jinx-wink]

Really, didn't see her as really strong before it. Powerful like she always was, but nothing over the top or warranting special mention

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She was still very over powered before the Firecannon

You mean before they took 1/4th of the passive damage off of botrk?

Good thing the community doesn't get to determine balance. This game would be in shambles.

#Biggestnerf2015

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Why would ppl pick her over kog'maw then, she already has a weak early game and this would just make it worse.

keep in mind she won't build any real AD item till mid-late game.. she will focus on AS/Crit till she can proc her w easier.

If they want to narf vayne, they must lower her w to atleast 10% at max level, and lower a bit her AS scaling. (That was buffed a few patches ago)

To pick her over kogmaw is simple

She has kite, kogmaw becomes a turret to do max damage

It's mobile with less tons of damage or stationary with more tons of damage

For example you would pick vayne over kogmaw if they have an assassin heavy team and yours can't really guard you from it

If they don't have an assassin team and you have a good front line that can keep you safe, kogmaw is the way to go

Nasus is the weakest laner in the game with his major source of damage his q at 7 s cd early on. He can't trade on his own only if he gets engaged upon, and even then he is more likely to lose trade. Vayne is nothing like that, and if bot lane was a solo lane vayne would outrade champions like Caitlyn who are considered her counters.

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That sounds less like a weak early-game, and much more like a completely gutted and non-existent early-game. This is League, not DotA: You need some sort of early-game presence, even if you're late-game focused. The key is that you want to make their early-game a bit weaker, but not unnoticed. Even Nasus can do shit early in the game if he has to. With the nerf you proposed, Vayne would have no early-game whatsoever.

The support already plays a huge part in bot lane power

Vayne would lose the true damage trading in lane which usually consisted of land 3 AAs and back off, it would remove her true damage from being a factor in lane, she would still have the other damage, but her in lane true damage would basically be gone, making her have to play safer but she can still trade, just no longer win every trade when she gets her 3 hits off then backs off