Can We Just Acknowledge The Fact That Riot Actually Managed to Kill Tank Ekko

ArnoldSchwarzens··133 votes·4,943 views

Without killing the AP version too? Alongside the fact that other skirmishers and assassins like MasterYi Yasuo Fiora Fizz etc. can't be built bruiser either anymore and actually have to invest in damage items.

As a huge fan of the slayer class, I'm really relieved that this is finally over.

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JustMonika1375 votes

How cute, you think Tank Fizz is over.

ArnoldSchwarzens5 votes

Haven't seen one yet. Can you link me a replay?

nm10104 votes

Dong huap on youtube, half his stream is tank fizz with abyssal and lichbane or zhonyas later.

Edit: He removed the stream vods and put up highlights of his nasus game. Sadface

DarkRitual29 votes

It's not tank if you're getting that many offensive items

Cosmic Warper2 votes

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Dong huap on youtube, half his stream is tank fizz with abyssal and lichbane or zhonyas later.

Edit: He removed the stream vods and put up highlights of his nasus game. Sadface

That's not tank fizz.... AP fizz always built the AP cdr items.

nm10106 votes

Tank fizz at the height of its popularity went iceborn sunfire abyssal "generic tank item" zhonyas. It is literally the same build without the iceborn (he does get it some games, he also goes trinity full tank some games) he even goes for the ignite tp spells top lane.

Rew7112 votes

Can we now admit that a Tank champion should be tankier in their stats and kits rather than by getting items. Tanks should do what they are intended to do, which is to have CC in their kits, and abilities that make them harder to kill as well. Not every Tank is like this, some are more like Fighters and do a better job at being a Fighter than half the Fighters in the list. Mordekaiser was suppose to be a Juggernaut but lacks really any CC or abilities making him harder to kill (his original Q was much better at this and his passive the same).

I'm grateful most (to all) Assassins are becoming less tanky, and hopefully Evelynn's kit (and hopefully Visuals) get nicely updated in the future. But most Fighters can't initiate well, some Marksmen are not as squishy as they could be, some of the Mages need compensation for the AP nerfs to most of their items, and as a Support main I wish Ruby Sightstone didn't even take up a slot rather that it was an add-on to the already free Sightstone slot. Make it cost more, or have it do less, I don't care but I hate needing this thing take up a slot if I were to go as a Support I would rather be getting mana regen or plain AP on. It would also be useful for Junglers and others since it wouldn't take up much of a slot. And, if I were to buy the Sightstone + Support item, I would like it to be have a separate ward limit.

I also think there's now a lack in diversity for people who go as a AP champion compared to those going AD. AD champs can go with AS/Crit. items or AD (or both) but AP champions have only AP items to go to for help. There aren't many AP + AD items that benefit Mages that could use it, and the same can be said for the Marksmen that have that one ability that can benefit from AP. This is also crucial for Marksmen like Teemo and Corki or use Magic Damage though they are Marksmen in their own right. There are about one or two AP items that increase your AS and about 2 or 3 items that have AP and AD (the reason this was taken away from Trinity Force baffles me to this day). Malzahar, who could use this bonus AD on his pets, has only Hexblade to look into.

Riot still has things they could fix or benefit to and this is just what's relevant to your thread. I'm not even going into Champ IP prices, Twisted Treeline map updates, Reuse of Butcher's Bridge, or the fact they could just allow for people to use Team Builder esc type of system rather than Blind Pick revamp due to it having you only needing to chose one champion and position rather than two positions.

ChaoticPinecone1 votes

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Can we now admit that a Tank champion should be tankier in their stats and kits rather than by getting items.

Have you thought this through? Think about it - say you have a Tank top like Maokai, who does most of his damage through his base stats while he gets tanky through items.

Whether you kill him 5 times in lane or go even, his damage will stay the same (for the most part). You snowball the matchup by not letting him get his tank items. If he gets higher tank stats, its not like he will buy more damage - his damage will stay the same as it is now, but then he gets extra surviviability.

So 2 things will happen - if you play a carry top it will be more difficult to snowball, since the increase in defensive base stats will stall the game. If you go into a tank v. tank matchup, its going to be a wet noodle fight even if one gets ahead early.

Hiroe1 votes

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How cute, you think Tank Fizz is over.

Hehe. I can to lich bane, Zhonyas or Abyssal Sceptor, Torment, Sunfires or spirit visage(depending on Zhonyas or abyssal), and lastly for shits and giggles, WARMOGS

RisenDarkKnight23 votes

I still see tank ekko/Fizz, and I see most bruisers (like yi) go with a titanic hydra build.

I also still see frozen mallet yasuo, but at least he builds in now instead of triforce.

Maybe tank ekko is suboptimal now, but tank Fizz is still quite viable after rework (2 sec bleed to empower his w) and a lot of former glass cannon junglers like Yi build 2 damage items (titanic hydra being one) then full tank.

pay to win5 votes

I see alot of yi's still going deadmans and frozen mallet/titanic in there builds so yea

LankPants3 votes

I still see tank ekko/Fizz, and I see most bruisers (like yi) go with a titanic hydra build.

There's too much damage in the game right now and trying to go glass cannon melee is a terrible idea. Nothing new under the sun.

Ulriah11 votes

Yasuo can't be built bruiser anymore, ha, good one.

invisiblecat19 votes

Dancer malet rush Yasuo is still really popular Yi's still rarely build all damage Fizz will always have some tank build

Anìvìa7 votes

Well, now I wonder if they are going to stop the tank karma as well.

IcyPepper11 votes

A utility mage building full tank is probably a bit less polarizing than an assassin building full tank...

Anìvìa14 votes

You probably haven't played against tank karma, or as her players called her: "unkillable karma"

She died a lot though, but she did not realy played great. It was the first and hopefully the only one I will ever see.

Keìron7 votes

Yasuo still builds offtank and does dumb damage

PermabannedGaren3 votes

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Yasuo still builds offtank and does dumb damage

item 3046 item 3022 item 3031 item 3006 item 3072 item 3026

This is Yasuo's most common build. This is a carry build.

AirKingNeo3 votes

GA, PD, and Mallet, that's off tank.

Big Lincoln6 votes

yi still builds bruiser

it is the only way he'll ever be viable

Ahristocats5 votes

true

General Esdeath 6 votes

Fiora still feels WAY too tanky to me

EROTIC RAID BOSS2 votes

she generally builds all damage items. a lot of lifesteal

Mighty Mortein6 votes

Tank fizz has made a return. That triple damage on bleeding targets with his W is something else atm. And his ult doing more base damage based on distance travelled.

Danjeng4 votes

I'm pretty bad, so I'm not sure about this. But I still build a spirit visage and deadman's on yi. So I won't get deleted in 3 seconds.

SwordOfWar2 votes

Nuthin wrong with dat

Backup4now4 votes

I still see fiora being exclusively built offtank/bruiser

Spoofghoul4 votes

You are so right fiora with warlords item 3047 item 3074 item 3812 item 3071 item 3065 item 3742 is totally fun to play against . . .

totally not tanky at all

Blåbæret4 votes

In what world is tank Ekko dead? I still see him on occassion and he's just as toxic. Tank Fizz is also still played and perfectly viable. I've seen two people going AD Fizz which is more obnoxious than the AP version.

Crett4 votes

tank ekko is Alive and still a monster

Doseqis3 votes

Fiora just builds tank with a black cleaver after Ravenous or Titanic, most of these champs you listed are still far from what was initially intended.

iTaLenTZ3 votes

Downvoted because: Can we just acknowledge that it took Riot 1,5 years to make the changes everyone knew were needed from day 1. Like seriously, you can go to my post about Ekko soon after his release and I already said what they had to change. Many others have done the same. So how is it possible that it took 'professionals' 1,5 years to acknowledge what changes were needed?

La Barbotte3 votes

just wait for tank camille LOL

notmebuthim3 votes

Bruiser Yasuo is still the build bro...

Huebone2 votes

item 3046 item 3022 who said bruiser, I see 60 crit% and 30 AD there, no armor or mr. :^)

ItsOrval3 votes

700 HP

ReZisT Lust2 votes

item 3022 item 3143 item 3001 item 3153 item 3027 item 3151 try this then

DeathBot66620 votes

That isn't a tank build. 4/6 of those items are dmg items.

morris14 votes

BUT VEIGAR HAS item 3083 item 3083 item 3083 item 3083 item 3083 item 3083 AND HIS ULT DOES 3000 DAMAGE RITO PLS.

Sevixys1 votes

Only if you let him stack.. For a year..

dominusx1 votes

not like it's hard to stack .. specially with all the cdr you get from warmogs.

Sevixys1 votes

It's lots of free ap but it's calculated in his kit. Got some 300 free ap in my last game, game lasted pretty long lol (that's quite a lot yeah but perfectly acceptable when taken veigar's nature into account)

MagikarpIsBoss5 votes

I used to doubt tank veigar. That was before I realized he had no AP items and still oneshot me with a qr.

LA Losty5 votes

Its an interesting build to say the least..

The Letter H2 votes

Pffff, tank Ekko may be gone but my patented AP bruiser Ekko build still reigns supreme. Ekko item 3027 item 3152 item 3742 item 3001 item 3100 item 3020 (With optional tank item instead of lichbane)

JustMonika132 votes

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Pffff, tank Ekko may be gone but my patented AP bruiser Ekko build still reigns supreme. Ekko item 3027 item 3152 item 3742 item 3001 item 3100 item 3020

Honestly tho. Bruiser Ekko ftw. Tank Ekko is stupid, and full AP Ekko is crap, why not hit the sweet spot?

Rozair2 votes

tank fizz is fucking awful right now

Automated Riven2 votes

not to mention that tank akali is the only way to play her. and you can still play High health bruiser on fiora and do just fine.

Ariel the Cruel2 votes

Now if only they could un-kill Support Lulu. (>_>)

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