Lets compare Fiddlesticks and Amumu ult CD: Why does Amumu's ult have 30 seconds more CD?

iTaLenTZ·Sep 16, 2018·2 votes·1,576 views

Patch 8.4: "League's original mage jungler isn't doing so well, and could use some love."

COOLDOWN150/140/130 ⇒ 140/110/80

Meanwhile : COOLDOWN: 150 / 130 / 110

Similar champs yet Fiddlesticks ult is on a much shorter cooldown especially in lategame. This is literally the difference between winning and losing games due to not being able of contesting Baron, drakes, or generally being useless in forced teamfights. To put matters worse the only core item on Amumu that gives CDR is . This is the reason why Amumu is trash. Instead of that stupid 'buff' to his E that accomplished nothing reduce his ult cooldown.

12 Comments

DuskDaUmbreonSep 16, 20185 votes

Because Fiddle's ult is barely anything like Amumu's ult?

Amumu's ult is a burst of damage and CC. Fiddle's is a shitton of DoT AoE. Lots more damage on Fiddle's ult, but over a longer timeframe and with no CC. The only similarity is that they're both circles.

ModWulf HelhammerSep 16, 20181 votes

Yep. Fiddle ult also doesn't stop enemies from auto attacking, and ends when he dies. For Amumu, even if you burst him down somehow before the ability ends, you're still waiting there until the CC runs its course.

Alex h8721Sep 16, 20183 votes

Crowd Control

Inkling CommandoSep 16, 20181 votes

Fiddles Ult: damages and silences. Amumu's ult: flat out stuns.

ModWulf HelhammerSep 16, 20182 votes

Fiddle ult doesn't silence. That's his E

º Lamb calls ºSep 16, 20182 votes

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Fiddles Ult: damages and silences. Amumu's ult: flat out stuns.

Amu's ult isn't a stun.

blazen 8Nov 29, 20181 votes

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Fiddles Ult: damages and silences. Amumu's ult: flat out stuns.

this is the best comparison i've ever seen

LeftyRaydyNov 29, 20181 votes

Fiddles ult doesn't silence.

iTaLenTZSep 16, 20181 votes

They are both similar in the fact that they are both high impactful AoE spells, focussed to determine the outcome of teamfights. Yet Fiddlesticks gets to do this more often than Amumu and is therefore more reliable. I have lost so many games with Amumu because my ult wasn't up and all other 9 players have it isn't fun to play him any more.

DuskDaUmbreonSep 16, 20181 votes

Okay. Brand's ult is also a high-impact AoE spell. As is Illaoi's R. Azir's as well. So is Kindred's. Yet none of these abilities are anything like, other than the fact that they're "high-impact AoE ults".

Also, simply being able to do something more doesn't make a champion more reliable. Reliability is how hard it is to fuck up the ability, not the cooldown.

If you want to complain about Fiddle having a similar ability to an ult on a lower cooldown, compare his E to Brand's ult. Very similar execution, higher AP scaling, although ~200 less base damage, and a way lower cooldown, with a silence instead of a stacking slow.

ValyrianBladeNov 29, 20181 votes

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Okay. Brand's ult is also a high-impact AoE spell. As is Illaoi's R. Azir's as well. So is Kindred's. Yet none of these abilities are anything like, other than the fact that they're "high-impact AoE ults".

Also, simply being able to do something more doesn't make a champion more reliable. Reliability is how hard it is to fuck up the ability, not the cooldown.

If you want to complain about Fiddle having a similar ability to an ult on a lower cooldown, compare his E to Brand's ult. Very similar execution, higher AP scaling, although ~200 less base damage, and a way lower cooldown, with a silence instead of a stacking slow.

You're not wrong in your definition of reliability, but he isn't either.

Reliability at high Elo, especially in pro play, is also about your champion being able to do it's job at the needed time. That means having cooldowns up.

For example, Annie's flash-tibbers combo is one of the most reliable engages in the game. When pro games were very slow paced in prior seasons, Annie was a strong pick (especially as support). However with faster pace games, Annie is no longer reliable because her flash isn't off cooldown enough to have the combo up when it's needed.