can volibear get some toning down?

Goodest Gamer·Apr 6, 2015·4 votes·463 views

cinder hulk makes him the next op jungler. u cant kill him without morllos or ignite and he does insane damage for building hp. please tone down his w.

18 Comments

WeFlyNoLieApr 6, 20153 votes

You can't chain it, the only time you get a CD reduction is if you use it on a monster.

It has a flat 18 cool down across all ranks. The only way to reduce it is through CDR, which at max rank still only drops it to just under 11 seconds.

Goodest GamerApr 6, 20151 votes

im talking about saving it for the adc hten attacking eveyrone around him then having it up again.

Goodest GamerApr 6, 20151 votes

fights dont last 1.3 sec, they last around 10 sec which is enough for voli to do some serious dps.

GarurumonApr 6, 20152 votes

u deserv challenjour gg

Leti the YetiApr 6, 20151 votes

His W only comes up like once a fight cmon man :l

Goodest GamerApr 6, 20151 votes

? u w0t? his w is nearly always up if he knows how to chain it.

Leti the YetiApr 6, 20155 votes

do explain

in the meantime I'ma throw some more stuff at you like kiting bork every mid laner ever building morellos liandrys

generally deal with him in the same manner as every gapcloserless tank

Goodest GamerApr 6, 20151 votes

try having an adc kite when voli with full tank items is flashing for his ass as the team tries to stop him.

Leti the YetiApr 7, 20151 votes

we've stopped nasus we can stop volibear too ;l

SleepyLionCubApr 7, 20151 votes

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? u w0t? his w is nearly always up if he knows how to chain it.

yea. its only up once a fight. it has a huge cooldown.

IcyPepperApr 6, 20151 votes

he's a dps tank, not a straight-up cc tank

He needs to build health to do damage (though he can build AS, but health is usually the way to go). Now imagine this, what if there was an item that dealt more damage as the enemy built health? An item that would deal 25% more damage if cinderhulk gives 25% bonus HP...

OH YEAH

item 3153

Imagine if tank players complained about last whisper and botrk, which are items specifically made to shred tanks. You want counterplay? There it is.

Goodest GamerApr 6, 20152 votes

last whisper and bork wont stop voli from bursting anyone 1v1. the voli builds full tank as he does that too

IcyPepperApr 6, 20154 votes

facepalms

He's supposed to deal a moderate amount of damage to force you to focus him, that's why he's called a dps tank. Botrk gives sustain and AS, which helps you duel him late-game. He's going to burst down an adc early game, that's why you need wards and a support to protect you.

If he builds full tank, he has to divide his stats between armor, health, and magic resist. LW will ignore 35% of his armor, and botrk will deal 8% of his health on top of your 300+ AD late game (crits and AS not included, meaning you could easily reach 600+ dps, probably up to 900 reliably). An adc should be able to duel him late game, but he should not have to do it alone.

Volibear has no gap closer beyond an MS boost, his ultimate is an aa steroid, his E is typically used for clears and the slow isn't great compared to other tanks.

If you really, really hate him that much, build item 3022 to reduce his MS boost and boom, there goes most of his gap closer. Not to mention an extra 700 health is a lot for an adc. You'll sacrifice something in your normal build, but it could fill the 6th slot usually reserved for a defensive item anyway.

Goodest GamerApr 6, 20151 votes

moderate? he half shots people with w. what moderate? its retarded damage.

IcyPepperApr 6, 20152 votes

He half shots squishies who have no defenses in the first place...?

Against bruisers, it's not nearly as ridiculous.

Build sustain (or botrk) and you can duel him late game.

Goodest GamerApr 6, 20151 votes

im sorry as a bruiser top i should rush tank because voli is level 3. no thats now how it works.

IcyPepperApr 6, 20151 votes

I never said you had to. At all. That is a non-sequitor and makes 0 sense

SookoApr 6, 20151 votes

We can't just look at Voli's burst and tankiness as "direct" or "guaranteed". Volibear loses a ton of HP before reaching his enemies (if he actually reaches them), takes 3 autos to actually have his W (which has a huge CD) and stacks HP. This makes him usually a lot squishier than he looks. There's no point in having 4k HP if you have no armor or MR to back it up.

Oh, and he is auto-attack reliant. And kiteable And predictable And has no built in anti-CC ability in his skills to help him engage Gets countered by a fairly common item (Morello's) Stacks HP (again) Long cooldowns MS reliant, meaning he won't go through walls without flash 100% melee W burst falls off a little later on Slow clear times No waveclear without ult

These are just off the top of my head.