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I really hate how botlane is still THE major key of this meta.

Craft Zeppelin··5 votes·415 views

This is the perspective from a midlaner, but it really seems that in botlane, its either winning or utter annihilation.

1st in pickscreen you pick a lane bully (cait or lucian), make a stupid cheese with bork components, OR WORSE BOTH. (Which is pretty much nothing different from hextech gunblade, or even DFG.) Take 1st tower gold since it has the weakest protection. (Although it is supposed to GUARD these damn squishies.) Run it mid and take herald with superiority of numbers and drag.

There seems to be no "close" matchups, it seems to be snowball or dumpster and nothing in between. And because of the amount of cheese here, I cant even determine if my ADC is having a bad game or legit trolling.

Like this is getting ridiculous. How the actual heck there is so much objectives linked to adcs. Even midlane doesnt have this sort of control in the game merely by geting a lead in lane. AND HELL, OF COURSE I HAVE TO NUKE YOUR BOTLANE WITH A GOON SQUAD WITH A BURST MAGE.

17 Comments

hhaavviikk3 votes

the fact that ADC's can be lane bullies is bullshit in and of it's own considering their amazing late game

SEKAI1 votes

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the fact that ADC's can be lane bullies is bullshit in and of it's own considering their amazing late game

Yeah you go bud, preach! I'm right behind you.

Craft Zeppelin1 votes

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the fact that ADC's can be lane bullies is bullshit in and of it's own considering their amazing late game

Like when you introduce lucian in the meta as a 1 tier pick you know its going to escalate in stupid proportions

MuffledGarbage2 votes

Not to mention that if either your adc or your support is autofilled then your whole botlane has a higher chance of doing worse...

Craft Zeppelin1 votes

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Not to mention that if either your adc or your support is autofilled then your whole botlane has a higher chance of doing worse...

ADC is the hardest mechanic wise role. NO questions asked or contested in this. And people SHOULD know that this damn role as a whole is a PRO PICK. If you introduce this in like low elo, of course it would be a slugfest of who is bad and who is decent and not a contest of who is actually good.

This autofill ADC is basically asking some noob to play 1st time Ryze. This is SUICIDE.

fuffychan2 votes

Bot lane has the least impact on the game.

Im 5-0 Jinx ? So what?

The enemy has a 5-0 Olaf or 5-0 Fizz and that Jinx is free food.

Craft Zeppelin2 votes

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Bot lane has the least impact on the game.

Im 5-0 Jinx ? So what?

The enemy has a 5-0 Olaf or 5-0 Fizz and that Jinx is free food.

Why the jinx is dueling the olaf and fizz. Do you know how adcs even operate? Its people like you who makes fun of this role and entices riot to give them power that they are not allowed to have and make this whole game a snowball fest. Its hardly fun for people in other positions

fuffychan1 votes

Im an ADC main and ADCs are trash. They do absolutely nothing unless there are 4 tanks to protect them.

dominusx1 votes

I just want one season where botlane is irelevant. No early season adcs werent irrelevant jsut because some people overextended as usual and got punished for it because for once adcs werent the strongest class in the fucking game and made a meme out of this does not mean the class was weak.

I play Draven the single most high skillcap adc in the game and i've never felt weak outside me beeing a retard and playing poorly.

Craft Zeppelin2 votes

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I just want one season where botlane is irelevant. No early season adcs werent irrelevant jsut because some people overextended as usual and got punished for it because for once adcs werent the strongest class in the fucking game and made a meme out of this does not mean the class was weak.

I play Draven the single most high skillcap adc in the game and i've never felt weak outside me beeing a retard and playing poorly.

Also, because ADCs attack by...well obviously "autoattacks" there is NO counterplay if you lose lane. YOU GET SHOT 100% if you go near. This was always the case but now you have this bork cheese with a click slow nuke which is stupid as heck.

So...why was DFG removed and now bork is allowed to do the same crap in botlane? I know DFG was bad for the game, but seriously are you giving the same toys to the MOST snowbally lane in existance?

Aptest1 votes

As a support player, i think i will waver on going back to season 3 where either ther top lane snowballed and i could do nothing about it or the mid lane snowballed and me and the adc died 24/7. or, if they were on my side, i was playing sit back and watch the big boys play.

thank you very much i prefer to have an influence over the game. otherwise the season 3/4 situation where everybody mains fizz in the middle and nobody mains ashe will just repeat.

Craft Zeppelin1 votes

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As a support player, i think i will waver on going back to season 3 where either ther top lane snowballed and i could do nothing about it or the mid lane snowballed and me and the adc died 24/7. or, if they were on my side, i was playing sit back and watch the big boys play.

thank you very much i prefer to have an influence over the game. otherwise the season 3/4 situation where everybody mains fizz in the middle and nobody mains ashe will just repeat.

Its not about ADCs being oneshot, its the amount of objectives associated to the position now that is a major frustration to me. Lets say, Im moderately fed as midlaner, and our botlane lost. The results will be their sup and adc occupying my lane making me refuse to break free. take herald and push it down. On the other hand, If I win greatly on mid I HAVE to help botlane win in order to gain a more superior advantage rather than going straight to tower.

See? something is strange here. I dont have much objectives assosiated to me compared to bot.

Aptest1 votes

idk i see complete parity between the situations, in your own words:

bot lane wins own lane: takes own tower, rotate mid, takes mid tower + neutral. mid lane wins own lane: takes own tower, rotate bot, takes bot tower + neutral.

In other words: If their bot lane wins they have to rotate mid and help their fail mid lane. If your mid lane wins you have to rotate bot and help your fail bot lane.

both lanes have an additional win condition in being able to roam without having won own lane. But you see mid exploiting this much more than bot. You see this as a disadvantage of mid lane but actually it is an advantage of having access to more win conditions: and a big one.

Craft Zeppelin1 votes

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idk i see complete parity between the situations, in your own words:

bot lane wins own lane: takes own tower, rotate mid, takes mid tower + neutral. mid lane wins own lane: takes own tower, rotate bot, takes bot tower + neutral.

In other words: If their bot lane wins they have to rotate mid and help their fail mid lane. If your mid lane wins you have to rotate bot and help your fail bot lane.

both lanes have an additional win condition in being able to roam without having won own lane. But you see mid exploiting this much more than bot. You see this as a disadvantage of mid lane but actually it is an advantage of having access to more win conditions: and a big one.

Are you ignoring herald and dragon? One midlaner is not worth 2 people.

Aptest2 votes

if your only complaint is that you, as a single player, are not able to have the influence of two people, than obviously you are in the wrong.

it is not right that someone will queue into having only half your influence because of a "bad role": the game is between 5 people, not between 4 lanes.

Craft Zeppelin1 votes

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if your only complaint is that you, as a single player, are not able to have the influence of two people, than obviously you are in the wrong.

it is not right that someone will queue into having only half your influence because of a "bad role": the game is between 5 people, not between 4 lanes.

what are you actually saying I suddenly multiply like bacteria during a league game? A person is a man power of one person. And a role is occupied by one person.

And Im saying that botlane is consisted of two people and two roles. Simple math.

Aptest1 votes

i do not think i am ignoring them. Prior to first tower falling, mid lane has better control over herald than bot lane. you can say that bot lane and mid lane have more or less equal control over dragon because while bot lane is able to rotate en-mass and contest, mid lane have more opportunities to either roam and open up dragon as a result of the roam or trash his opponent and open up either dragon or herald as a result of the lane victory.

I think the additional firepower of bot is offset by the additional opportunities of mid that are the result of having better mobility, better initial position on the map, generally either better killing power or better wave clear (at that point in the game).

If you are winning as a mid lane and want to rotate bot and make a play this depends on your losing bot lane being able to pin the enemy bot lane into the lane. The same i think is true if the enemy bot lane wants to come to your lane. If they want to make a play on you than they have to have their mid lane manage to make you stay otherwise you can just send your bot lane or even just the sup and the jungle to hold the tower, while you flank and make a play?

Are you saying "if i win my lane, i should be able to just push it and they have to deal with me or i win game?" but in your example this is exactly what they are doing. They pin you to the tower so that your ability to push or make plays with roaming is constricted and then they use their 2-player win to overpower your 1-player win. Why is this not fair?

What am I missing here?

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