I don't think making jungle even MORE important was a good idea. Oh you're being camped top? No worries, your jungler can get the dragons, right? Oh, your jungler doesn't want to take it while the enemy bot is dead, they want to take the enemy buff. Good thing my win or loss is in this guys hands.
BlackXIV4 votesAre you seriously complaining about jungle weight? Now that junglers are in their worst state of starvation since season 3? You toplaners really have to learn your macro before spreading nonsense.
The thigh guy4 votesAre you seriously complaining about jungle weight? Now that junglers are in their worst state of starvation since season 3? You toplaners really have to learn your macro before spreading nonsense.
Top laners will always cry. They have to keep their facade of being the weakest class in the game so rito continues buffing them. All while they shit on every other role from every angle imaginable.
Anhydrax1 votesAre you seriously complaining about jungle weight? Now that junglers are in their worst state of starvation since season 3? You toplaners really have to learn your macro before spreading nonsense.
That's because you're wrong. Junglers are, with mid, the most important role. It's litterally better jungle mid wins because game is all about drakes. Top is the least important role.
BlackXIV1 votesYou think I'm wrong because you're a toplaner but as facts go you're wrong since you can take heralds, tp to drakes and splitpush but you don't. You focus your entire energy on laning and ragetyping.
Anhydrax1 votesYou think I'm wrong because you're a toplaner but as facts go you're wrong since you can take heralds, tp to drakes and splitpush but you don't. You focus your entire energy on laning and ragetyping.
No, I think you're wrong because you are. Herald sucks now so that's moot as an argument, I explained plenty why TP doesn't work in this thread: long cooldown and there's too many fights botside, people fight between your TP cooldowns. That means if you TP for a drake, you TP into a very fed opponent or a very fed ally (meaning you get fucked or you fuck them). I also explained why splitpush doesn't work: splitpush only works if you pressuring a lane means they actually lose by not responding to you. Drakes are so valuable, if they do not respond to you and you get a turret but they get drake and win the fight there, they STILL win the exchange.
BlackXIV1 votesKeeping on repeating nonsense isn't going to make you less wrong.
Either way if you think that the 4 roles of Jung, Mid, Bot and supp put together are more influential than top you're finally right but I don't see the relevance of the argument.
Also I'm right, that's a fact. I said junglers are starved and they are, you said they are important but they're not more than bot, surely less than mid.
Anhydrax1 votesKeeping on repeating nonsense isn't going to make you less wrong.
Either way if you think that the 4 roles of Jung, Mid, Bot and supp put together are more influential than top you're finally right but I don't see the relevance of the argument.
Also I'm right, that's a fact. I said junglers are starved and they are, you said they are important but they're not more than bot, surely less than mid.
No, I think mid has importance and jungle as well. I don't think bot and support have importance (only food for mid), same for top (too far from important objective). What matters is ''botside'' not ''botlane''. It's about who's mid goes bot to dumpster them and who's mid allows everyone (except top) to be ahead. Junglers are a special case: they are starved if behind, hella ahead... When ahead. If you spam gank your midlane properly, you end up level 12 and the other jungler is level 8 or something... If you don't, you're fucked. But you still matter because you can help mid secure drake (and snowball) and that's why junglers matter.
General Esdeath 1 votesAre you seriously complaining about jungle weight? Now that junglers are in their worst state of starvation since season 3? You toplaners really have to learn your macro before spreading nonsense.
"Worst state of starvation"
Well seeing as you control who gets the dragons, you know those things that decide games, yeah.
BlackXIV1 votesJunglers controlling drakes must be the best joke of 2019
Tr4shB4NSYST3M2 votesWait what? Jg decides the game when they're even in level w/ botlane and 2 lvls behind solos on average?
So your telling me, when i can't gank bot if my botlane is chunked and theirs is healthy, And can only gank solo lanes if my laner is ahead otherwise i risk just giving a free kill. Your telling me I DECIDE THE GAME? AHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAH delusional.
Anhydrax1 votesWait what? Jg decides the game when they're even in level w/ botlane and 2 lvls behind solos on average?
So your telling me, when i can't gank bot if my botlane is chunked and theirs is healthy, And can only gank solo lanes if my laner is ahead otherwise i risk just giving a free kill. Your telling me I DECIDE THE GAME? AHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAH delusional.
Yes, they do. This season is all about taking drakes, everyone knows that, so if you're the better jungler with the better mid, you win, otherwise, you lose. And hard: the jungler that gets behind falls like level 8 vs 12.
Tr4shB4NSYST3M1 votesUnless the jg gets way ahead early, thats WAY more about who wins bot/mid and whether they're getting stomped or losing somewhat gracefully that they can still help. If 1 botlane hard wins (3+ kills pre 10) that team is far more likely to get the drags, unless their mid hard fed and the enemy mid rotates to support his jg.
Anhydrax1 votesUnless the jg gets way ahead early, thats WAY more about who wins bot/mid and whether they're getting stomped or losing somewhat gracefully that they can still help. If 1 botlane hard wins (3+ kills pre 10) that team is far more likely to get the drags, unless their mid hard fed and the enemy mid rotates to support his jg.
Nope, bot doesn't matter really. Mid gets tons of XP and bot gets a small XP, that means mid can easily destroy bot and snowball. So what jungle needs to do is gank mid to get him ahead so they both gank bot. Then, they take drake.
So it's not about winning bot.. Bot is just food for the other two.
Anhydrax1 votesNope, bot doesn't matter really. Mid gets tons of XP and bot gets a small XP, that means mid can easily destroy bot and snowball. So what jungle needs to do is gank mid to get him ahead so they both gank bot. Then, they take drake.
So it's not about winning bot.. Bot is just food for the other two.
Ah, sorry. I didn't notice this wasn't my post, I also made a post about the issue. But yeah, here's the reason why. It doesn't matter that they gave XP buffs to top because they gave that to mid as well and mid can use that XP buff to collapse on bot (who got an XP nerf as well) all game, top can't collapse on mid as much (because they have identical XP). That means that buffed mid fighting botside 3 times more than top. And the double herald was a nerf because while there is 2, they both suck.
General Esdeath 1 votesWait what? Jg decides the game when they're even in level w/ botlane and 2 lvls behind solos on average?
So your telling me, when i can't gank bot if my botlane is chunked and theirs is healthy, And can only gank solo lanes if my laner is ahead otherwise i risk just giving a free kill. Your telling me I DECIDE THE GAME? AHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAH delusional.
Yes kills are totally the thing that decides games, not the dragon control, you pancake
Zero Drive1 votesIf they let top lane have a higher EXP gain than other lanes, revert the goddamn gutting to rift herald, and removed the elder buff execution threshhold bullshit then the game would be far more balanced.
General Esdeath 1 votes[{quoted}](name=Zero Drive,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=NnlNi2xw,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-11-26T12:18:53.389+0000)
If they let top lane have a higher EXP gain than other lanes, revert the goddamn gutting to rift herald, and removed the elder buff execution threshhold bullshit then the game would be far more balanced.
Or just nerf the dragons because now you have to hover bot lane unless you know for a fact your bot won't die or the enemy jungle is top side.
BlackXIV1 votesThey already did give top more exp and they doubled Heralds, would you like a free billion dollars to go with it?
NeX Daark1 votesNo idea why you think jg has any impact on games atm. Better mid lane wins. Always. Jg has just become a second support for mid.