Can we give Vi's ult some counterplay?

LatetotheRace··3 votes·682 views

Like an ability to "jump in the way"???? Please? It's an ability with almost no work around, and the only practical solution I can think of is adding Trickster's Glass to the game.

Please? Make it interceptable? Or reduce the knock up time....

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ReshiKillim1 votes

CC removal removes the CC of Vi's ult, and becoming untargetable cancels it as well. In other words.. Just have a Tahm nearby and you can put her ult on CD without it doing any damage to anyone.

LatetotheRace1 votes

So... I need item 3157...... Well too damn bad my whole team doesn't consist of mid lane mages. Tahm is also objectively garbage as he offers very little other than that to his team. Best part of Vi's ult is even if she dies during it, if she's made contact you WILL receive the damage.

ReshiKillim1 votes

He offers strong single target lockdown which is great against enemy carries and mages, has an ability to save teammates from horrible misplays, and is one of the tankiest tanks in the game. Not sure why'd you say he's objectively garbage.

LatetotheRace1 votes

Blitzcrank Galio Braum Thresh (and those are just the tank supports) Sure you can't kill him, but now his entire team is CC'd and everyone around him died. Oh wait, he's got the ADC, good luck 2v5. This is why he's not good, even when played top/jg you're just replacing a better champion with a brick.

Nahui1 votes

You can't justify an ability my naming a single champion that counters it. The balancing point for Vi's ult is not "Tahm Kench."

The problem is that Vi's numbers are fine and she is out of the meta. However, even so, I do believe it's such an overloaded, toxic ability that packs too much guaranteed punch into one spell. CC, mobility, Anti-CC, potential for greater CC, damage, and unavoidable point-click lock on. I typically am against just listing all the pros of a kit or ability because it inflates it in words past what it really is, but there's no way to shorten Vi's ult.

She knocks you up, knock anyone in her way back, does decent damage, click lock-on target, is immune to all CC throughout the flight, and is essentially a slow, but unavoidable (Besides mages and Tahm) gap closer.

Even in practical sense, you can take away the knocking people back. It's still knock up, point click mobility, damage, CC immunity. The counterplay is that it is an all in and Vi has very little way of getting out, so the idea is she's fully committed but I think that is a poor trade off for what you get from it. If it was a skillshot, I think it would be amazing and open it up to enough counterplay that they could even afford to buff its effects a bit, but as a point-click, it's rather silly. It's the only point-click spell in the game that is just so jam packed with effects. The only comparable point-clicks are Veigar's ult, which quite literally only does a planetary fuckload of damage, or maybe Zed's ult that involves two potential forms of mobility and a brief window of untargetability along with damage.

Although Vi is completely balanced and not overbearing, I do believe her ult, by design, is flawed and unhealthy for the game. It's like Yorick. Fairly shit during mid/late game, but he is completely toxic and about unbeatable/unfun in lane. Considered the weakest league champ, but still no one has fun with him in game. Vi's ult mostly gets talked about when she's highly in meta. Until then, we won't hear anything about it really.

Chicken Sailor1 votes

Tahm isn't garbage. He's a little on the weak side right now but he still offers considerable damage for building full tank, slows and stuns to lock down the backline, and devour has a multitude of different uses.

LatetotheRace1 votes

Whereas his devourer can be immensely powerful when used correctly, he's still very little more than an annoyance. He effectively has no CC if he devourers an ally, and has an incredibly weak teamfight. Teamfights are quite possibly the most important part of winning a game apart from just taking objectives.

Chicken Sailor1 votes

I'm not going to argue there, his team fight isn't great compared to many tanks. However, he still has a stun and massive slow that he can hit squishys with. He's also extremely tanky and his large model makes it easy to bodyblock skillshots heading for your carries :^)

LatetotheRace1 votes

Don't get me wrong, I thoroughly love playing him for those very reason. But he's certainly a normals champion.

dangopee1 votes

mad cuz bad

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