"dont worry, riot is nerfing ADC in 8.6"

Critmaster Garen·Mar 17, 2018·6 votes·1,028 views

meanwhile on the pbe.

multiple adc including lucian get buffed.

stattic gets slightly reduced damage to minions. rapid fire cannon buffed

duskblade nerfed and a couple compensation buffs to some of the assassins.

yea, some of those adc buffs are small, but there are no nerfs to adc or their itemization. what the hell are people actually talking about? ive seen this claim multiple times now.

that shiv nerf is a joke. the lighting can still crit for 400 damage on top of i.e. which means its still going to hit champions like a truck.

21 Comments

MizayaMar 17, 20185 votes

The max damage got decreased to 140 on Shiv, meaning 50 less damage on an IE crit.

meeshmoshMar 17, 20184 votes

Damn I'm going to do 750 instead of 800 every 2 seconds.

Gutted, better reduce the cost of zeal by another 100g.

MizayaMar 17, 20184 votes

Okay, that's your opinion? I was just correcting the information.

Who knew, boards downvotes people for providing actual correct patch info.

meeshmoshMar 17, 20182 votes

Because it's just a pitiful do nothing nerf that you putting it in response to this thread makes you come off as dismissive, as if it was an actual nerf thst accomplished something.

MizayaMar 17, 20181 votes

That sounds like your problem, then.

Critmaster GarenMar 17, 20182 votes

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The max damage got decreased to 140 on Shiv, meaning 50 less damage on an IE crit.

i think this is whats referred to as a love tap. what they should get is a kick in the shins.

MizayaMar 17, 20181 votes

Do you think that would have a destabilizing effect on balance though? Especially when they have bigger changes planned for the future.

Critmaster GarenMar 17, 20183 votes

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Do you think that would have a destabilizing effect on balance though? Especially when they have bigger changes planned for the future.

balance has been shit because of the overpowered shiv/rapidfire stacking for over a year.

so no.

SasogwaMar 17, 20181 votes

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balance has been shit

yes

because of the overpowered shiv/rapidfire stacking for over a year.

Whether it stacks or not, ADC's base damages, selfpeel, item costs and scalings, the fact that supps have been ridiculously powercreeped, THAT is the problem. Not fucking shiv/rapidfire passives stacking. Yeah it's a slightly bs mechanic but let's be fair, I'm fine with it staying if they do real nerfs to botlane.

Critmaster GarenMar 17, 20181 votes

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yes

no

Whether it stacks or not, ADC's base damages, selfpeel, item costs and scalings, the fact that supps have been ridiculously powercreeped, THAT is the problem. Not fucking shiv/rapidfire passives stacking. Yeah it's a slightly bs mechanic but let's be fair, I'm fine with it staying if they do real nerfs to botlane.

riot literally allowed adc to stack two 2600 gold crit items, so crit marksmen were able to get their power spike just as early as lethality marksmen.

like they threw a discount on a lategame scaling item build, so their power spikes can be on par with a midgame scaling build, without any regard what it does to marksmen balance compared to other roles or classes.

yes, zeal item stacking in general is a huge fucking problem.

so is i.e. and essence reaver being 3400 gold items, when other classes have to buy their core items in the 3500 to 3700 gold price range. or zeal items having a 2600 gold price tags when the supplementary items of other classes are in the 2900 to 3200 price range.

like an item build like crit cant just be designed to outscale other carry builds while being cheap enough to power spike early. its ridiculous. this shit has been going on for a year. after all the complaints theyre touching shiv now in an entirely insignificant way.

AirKingNeoMar 17, 20182 votes

Multiple ADCs buffed? I see Loscian and Kai'Sa.

Violent HunterMar 17, 20182 votes

There is literally one of these every day. Stop bitching already. Do you see adc's win rate? They are as balanced as they ever been and then they are nerfing an item and already said more work is coming later. LUCIAN NEEDS BUFF!!! god so many babies on these boards.

Critmaster GarenMar 17, 20184 votes

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There is literally one of these every day. Stop bitching already. Do you see adc's win rate? They are as balanced as they ever been and then they are nerfing an item and already said more work is coming later. LUCIAN NEEDS BUFF!!! god so many babies on these boards.

adc winrate doesnt tell you shit in regard to their balance against other classes, because every single game has an adc that plays against another adc. when one adc wins, another adc loses. that pushes their winrate automatically towards 50%. the class itself is still fucking broken and has too much influence on games.

it only means adc are balanced against each other. ill stop "bitching", once this fucking adc meta is buried, and theyre back in line with other carries, which they havent been since the beginning of season 6.

PrimaquariusMar 17, 20181 votes

ADCs are still on top? Imma keep picking Nami then

TempName74814Mar 17, 20181 votes

the statikk minion damage nerf means that ADCs that arent supposed to wave clear are going to have a harder time wave clearing. it'll probably also mean siv will be somewhat playable. right now, it's "why pick siv when trist can 1shot the minions anyway, AND does bonus dmg to turrets"

Critmaster GarenMar 17, 20184 votes

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the statikk minion damage nerf means that ADCs that arent supposed to wave clear are going to have a harder time wave clearing. it'll probably also mean siv will be somewhat playable. right now, it's "why pick siv when trist can 1shot the minions anyway, AND does bonus dmg to turrets"

"hard time"

no theyre not. they wont just 1 shot minion waves anymore, but they will still have an easy time waveclearing.

not only that, but shiv was originally meant to be a waveclear tool. since theyve buffed the fucking thing, its being used by marksmen to assassinate squishies with lightning crits, ebcause the damn thing deals almost as much damage as duskblade.

none of the real issues with crit itemization are being addressed.

its still too cheap. it still grants assassin level burst damage on top of sustained damage. it still stacks too easily.

this is a weak attempt to make it look like theyre nerfing adc without actually hitting them where it counts.

holy shit, now they have to auto attack each minion once after hitting the wave with a shiv crit. damn. that will surely reduce their game impact.

vgamedudeMar 17, 20181 votes

Honestly don't know if adcs will ever get nerfed to be on par with other things in the game. They're too popular sadly.

Critmaster GarenMar 17, 20182 votes

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Honestly don't know if adcs will ever get nerfed to be on par with other things in the game. They're too popular sadly.

until i see some tangible nerfs to their class, i call bullshit.

theyre just doing the same shit theyve been doing with bruiser mains for 3 to 4 years. "the big bruiser rework will come".

they keep promising theyll "look into it", theyll "discuss it", and theyre not actually doing anything about it. marksmen have been a problem almost since the entire way back to season 6.

crit item stacking became instantly a problem, the moment they allowed rapid fire and shiv to stack again, and since they started to sell crit items for a discount price because they wanted the MIDGAME of crit marksmen on the same level of lethality marksmen. like take a moment to think about this and how absurd this is in the first place. a lategame scaling item build was buffed to keep up with assassin itemization on marksmen, that they shouldnt be able to utilize like they did in the first place.

they had enough time to "look into it".

vgamedudeMar 18, 20181 votes

They've had required ADC bs for years so yeah I'm not too hopeful.

Violent HunterMar 17, 20181 votes

What the fuck is unbalanced about them right now other than front loaded damage and too cheap items? Please tell me you fucking cry babies.

Critmaster GarenMar 17, 20184 votes

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What the fuck is unbalanced about them right now other than front loaded damage and too cheap items? Please tell me you fucking cry babies.

you literally answered your own question in the same sentence.