It's bad enough that you completely gutted her with the rework, and kept absolutely NOTHING that the Poppy players liked about her. But then you nerf her into the ground after just a few games in LCS. There's a reason why no one plays her anymore. Poppy deserves better than this. Please buff her (or better yet revert her rework). Thank you!
http://champion.gg/statistics/#?sortBy=general.winPercent&order=descend
Defended2 votes''gutted her with the rework''
Continued to have a pick/bann First pick in MSI Hit a 50% bann rate and climbing before she got nerfed LCS announcers saying ''yeah poppys definitly a pick/ban champ atm''
She loses 100 range on her Heroic charge and boom
SHE WEAK AF PLS BUFF RITO WTF - You
Sightless661 votesShe loses 100 range on her Heroic charge
You say that like it isn't a huge deal. Range nerfs are gigantic. We've taken champions from banworthy to worst in the game before just with range nerfs. Hitting the range of a key skill is one of the harshest things you can do to a champion.
Besides, she got other nerfs. She lost range on her passive as well, and she lost a lot of laning power with the Q damage nerfs and the loss of the auto reset on her passive. She's pretty mediocre right now. She's not absolutely terrible, but buffs should definitely be considered.
Defended1 votesYou say that like it isn't a huge deal. Range nerfs are gigantic. We've taken champions from banworthy to worst in the game before just with range nerfs. Hitting the range of a key skill is one of the harshest things you can do to a champion.
Besides, she got other nerfs. She lost range on her passive as well, and she lost a lot of laning power with the Q damage nerfs and the loss of the auto reset on her passive. She's pretty mediocre right now. She's not absolutely terrible, but buffs should definitely be considered.
She does not needs Buffs. Shes fine the way she is.
The Q nerf was extremely minimal. The range nerf on her passive? Please take one extra step up in lane and you can throw it.
Sightless661 votesThe Q nerf was extremely minimal.
Nah. 50 base damage is big, and the small health ratio increase does not equal that out, particularly for early laning and pushing. It was quite significant.
Also, as previously mentioned, the E nerf was legitimately huge. 100 less range is bad for any skill, particularly an initiation skill. You undersell that.
I don't think she's fine. She's fallen out of competitive play entirely and she's having no success outside of it. I think she's bad.
Defended1 votesNah. 50 base damage is big, and the small health ratio increase does not equal that out, particularly for early laning and pushing. It was quite significant.
Also, as previously mentioned, the E nerf was legitimately huge. 100 less range is bad for any skill, particularly an initiation skill. You undersell that.
50 base damage?
50 at Max rank not at level 1, and they also uppd the % health by 1%
But that was a cute attempt at trying to smother that nerf and make it look worse than it was.
You gotta understand. She was pick/ban and the cause of major frustration. Those ''cute'' nerfs were extremely nice. if i was Riot i wouldve gutted her Ult by making it only on one person and reducing the duration of her W by half.
The girl was overloaded as fuck and still strong. She doesnt need any buffs
Sightless661 votes50 damage off of a skill is harsh. 10-50 is harsh. This is particularly true for skills used for waveclearing. The % health increase is worthless in the early game, doesn't come even close to compensating by the late game, and it means nothing for the pushing utility of the skill. Yes, this nerf hurt.
And, just to repeat it, this nerf was nothing compared to the range nerf that you tried to undersell.
if i was Riot i wouldve gutted her Ult by making it only on one person and reducing the duration of her W by half.
Ah, that explains why you think what she actually got is a "cute" nerf. I guess "hard" nerfs are ones that leave champions unplayable.
You gotta understand. She was pick/ban and the cause of major frustration.
Was is the key word there. Then she got nerfed. She is no longer pick/ban or anything even approaching it.
Ralanr1 votesThe Q nerf was extremely minimal. The range nerf on her passive? Please take one extra step up in lane and you can throw it.
And then your opponent will take one extra step back to stay out of your range. Now sure this means you lose some CS, but she loses range the moment she hits a minion with that ability (she could use her abilities, but spamming abilities in lane leaves her more open to ganks).
Really I just want the AA reset back, I couldn't care less about the range.
Defended1 votesAnd then your opponent will take one extra step back to stay out of your range. Now sure this means you lose some CS, but she loses range the moment she hits a minion with that ability (she could use her abilities, but spamming abilities in lane leaves her more open to ganks).
Really I just want the AA reset back, I couldn't care less about the range.
If she throws her Buckle you have two choices
It IS an unfair mechanic. I dont think Poppy is OP but i dont think she needs shit for a buff either. Shes fine and i love having one on my team
Demon King Maou1 votesShe cancels all dashes .. Shes pretty strong for someone that normally builds full tank Has an ult that can turn the tides of battle Ground smash thingy ( I haven't played poppy but I see this shit all the time ) is so god damn annoying
AND YOU STILL NEED MORE? are you serious dude?[zombie-brand-mindblown]
Cloud2731 votes[{quoted}](name=Demon King Maou,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=NUMBYALY,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2016-06-21T22:17:47.945+0000)
She cancels all dashes .. Shes pretty strong for someone that normally builds full tank Has an ult that can turn the tides of battle Ground smash thingy ( I haven't played poppy but I see this shit all the time ) is so god damn annoying
AND YOU STILL NEED MORE? are you serious dude?[zombie-brand-mindblown]
And I never asked for any of this.
Demon King Maou2 votesAnd I never asked for any of this.
Yes but you don't make up 100% of the poppy playerbase a large portion of them kept complaining constantly until riot finally did something about it
However riot should still allow access to the old champion ( Pre rework and after rework ) just like old fiora should still be available but only in customs
Ralanr1 votesThat'd just be really complicated and waste more time and money.
Demon King Maou1 votesThat'd just be really complicated and waste more time and money.
Yeah but it would be nice to be able to try champions before rework ( I never got to try fiora )
Ralanr1 votesExcept then we'd have people complaining about how stupid it is to not be able to play those champions as they are in other modes.
Sometimes it's better to let go of the past.
Ralanr1 votesHer rework did a lot for her actually. Her nerfs hurt a lot as well (I really miss the AA reset on the passive, it made jungling so much better with her. Now it feels really slow). Though she was nerfed for a reason: She was too powerful in both solo play and coordinated teamplay (there was a reason she was picked so much in the MSI). As much as I hate to admit it, they were right on how effective she was. Her range made laning a nightmare (and people seemed to forget that armor would reduce the damage of her Q).
I really miss Poppy's former strength (with her current range, you can actually bring scuttle close enough to the wall without stunning him. It's frustrating) but nerfs were needed. I just wish they didn't hit her so hard that her jungling didn't fall out of viability.
DJMason881 votesI wouldn't say she's godlike rn but she's still really good. And she wasn't "gutted" with her rework. She needed it.
Cloud2731 votesI wouldn't say she's godlike rn but she's still really good. And she wasn't "gutted" with her rework. She needed it.
They removed the AD ratios/scaling on her 'q' and her 'e' (or her 'w', I can't remember) when they reworked her. I can understand if they wanted to get rid of her ult, but why did they have to turn her into a tank?
DJMason881 votesShe still had AD ratios, but most of them are bonus AD. And the reason they made her Better suited for a tank build (although AD is still good) is because they didn't want another brain dead bruiser. Ex: Darius Irelia and Jax
Quepha1 votesPoppy's fine. That's what her winrate looks like when she's balanced.
She's still a strong pick as evidenced by pro play, you just have to be good.
Cloud2731 votesPoppy's fine. That's what her winrate looks like when she's balanced.
She's still a strong pick as evidenced by pro play, you just have to be good.
And her win rate in LCS isn't/wasn't that impressive, even before her nerfs. She had like a 50% win rate. I mean, she was getting played a lot, but she was by no means overpowed.
Defended1 votesAnd her win rate in LCS isn't/wasn't that impressive, even before her nerfs. She had like a 50% win rate. I mean, she was getting played a lot, but she was by no means overpowed.
She was no means overpowered...?
When a champ is considered pick/ban yes they are fucking overpowered.
Cloud2731 votesShe was no means overpowered...?
When a champ is considered pick/ban yes they are fucking overpowered.
There is a difference between popular and broken. Lee Sin, Thresh, and Ezreal, Lucian, etc are played a lot, but all these champions have less than 50% win rate. They're just popular champs. Not broken by any means.
Defended1 votesThere is a difference between popular and broken. Lee Sin, Thresh, and Ezreal, Lucian, etc are played a lot, but all these champions have less than 50% win rate. They're just popular champs. Not broken by any means.
According to you Poppy was never broken
According to the MSI And LCS casters And according to CLG Darshan And According to Riots balance team And according to her Pick/ban state And according to her 50% bann rate that was rising before nerfs
She WAS completely overloaded.
No you right tho. she was never op.
Beldair1 votesAs a Poppy Support player, she is quite balanced and a great pick against any team comps with Vayne, Lucian, Graves, Kindred, or any other champ with a dash.
Add in the Q slow and dmg, her dash which stuns if hit into terrain, her passive dmg and shield, and the fact she can turn a 5v5 into a 5v2 with a well timed ult makes her a decent threat.