I know Vi lacks an "Escape" from combat ability, so she's an all in..... but they are making her Excessive force now have a Crit application? On a champ that reduces armor at the very base of her kit? Sure. Nothing could go wrong with that.
incoming...... Vi's's gonna 1 shot people.
chipndip110 votesVi already 1-shots with lethality builds as is.
Vi being able to crit is the biggest non-factor buff I've seen in this game, period.
Illabethe4 votesYou don't understand. Her E can hit an entire team. At once. And can be proc'd by hitting a minion or turret. And it's able to be cast twice instantly.
And it has 110% total AD scaling and 90% AP scaling.
The build I mentioned will Crit at minimum : 1077 + 225 = 1302 crit damage. The initial target will take another 246 damage.
And she can cast this twice in succession on an entire team. That's 2600 aoe damage to a group who are affected by Denting Blows, which reduces Armor by 20%
The thigh guy1 votesYou don't understand. Her E can hit an entire team. At once. And can be proc'd by hitting a minion or turret. And it's able to be cast twice instantly.
And it has 110% total AD scaling and 90% AP scaling.
The build I mentioned will Crit at minimum : 1077 + 225 = 1302 crit damage. The initial target will take another 246 damage.
And she can cast this twice in succession on an entire team. That's 2600 aoe damage to a group who are affected by Denting Blows, which reduces Armor by 20%
- Lethality isn't a survivable build. And it offers far less AD scaling. Also, no one even builds Vi Lethality..... https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/platinum/plus/champion/Vi/
Crit damage won’t be applied to the turret attack because crits physically can’t be applied. Source being a 100% crit chance sivir cant get crits on ricochet bounces off a turret on minions or champions.
Doge20202 votesJhin, and those with 
can crit on a tower tho. But Jhin is only on every 4th shot, and the Rapidfire cannon is after like 10 or more auto attacks. Idk how many auto attacks it takes for the energizer proc to be available.
Illabethe1 votesYou CAN crit a turret. It won't damage the turret more, but the aoe affects of a critting ability will affect those around the turret.
chipndip16 votesYou don't understand. Her E can hit an entire team. At once. And can be proc'd by hitting a minion or turret. And it's able to be cast twice instantly.
And it has 110% total AD scaling and 90% AP scaling.
I do understand.
You don't understand: No one cares about a crit Vi. It's the same gimmick shit as crit Xin Zhao at best.
The build I mentioned will Crit at minimum : 1077 + 225 = 1302 crit damage. The initial target will take another 246 damage.
If Vi's on 6 items, Vi lost the game already.
And she can cast this twice in succession on an entire team. That's 2600 aoe damage to a group who are affected by Denting Blows, which reduces Armor by 20%
Once again: Who cares about her "being able to aoe crit twice"? Someone like Jinx or Twitch can aoe crit indefinitely.
- Lethality isn't a survivable build.
And crit is?
You know the real deal about this change? It's a worthless, 0-sum "buff" to get people off Riot's back when they ask for Vi love, and you fell for it. This change is "Iron IV hell montage" fodder at best. I sincerely hope you don't need someone to break down exactly why trying to play into this crit gimmick is a stupid idea. If you need to, ask Garen players about crit Garen being high tier viable, and if you STILL don't get it, come back to me.
Illabethe1 votesI can't wait to destroy you in Plat/Diamond.....
chipndip15 votesIllabethe1 votesI'm not......
chipndip13 votesI'm not......
Lemme put it like this:
You're using a level 206 forum account to talk about potentially "owning me" in a future game in solo queue. Meanwhile, assuming you're actually in the Plat/Diamond range on some account somewhere in the sky, I have no idea about the name of your actual account.
This puts us in a position where I'm not anonymous to you, but you're entirely anonymous to me. If I happen to run into you in solo queue, I'd be none the wiser. If you run into me in solo queue, you know who I am, and if the match goes in your favor for whatever reason, who knows what type of fuckery you'd cook up for any future instance.
Talking big behind forum accounts isn't big talk.
Illabethe1 votesI'll let you know in game if/when I see you :)
nm10101 votesYou remind me a lot of this person
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0jW9JKrC3w
They were also on a silver account and claimed to be diamond.
Illabethe1 votesI've been playing since 2012. Look up the provenance on this account. I have had 7 accounts.
Iota Theta1 votesI'm not......
https://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=Illabethe
That..looks like Silver to me. I mean, you could climb, but..it definitely shows Silver in 3/5 ranks, Bronze in the other 2, so I’m not seeing the claim of “destroying [them] in Plat/Diamond,” since you’ll never be matched with them as is.
ZackTheWaffleMan3 votescounterpoint on 2: they buffed her E ap ratio by like 20-30%
chipndip11 votescounterpoint on 2: they buffed her E ap ratio by like 20-30%
You ALMOST got me, but Baron gives everyone ap. You get to use the ap ratio when you get Baron.
ZackTheWaffleMan2 votesgotta have that extra 5-18(?) damage on E lul
Sir Saltarin1 votes
- Vi being able to crit is the biggest non-factor buff I've seen in this game, period.
The last buff to StormR is close, such a meme item.
Iota Theta1 votes
Vi already 1-shots with lethality builds as is.
Vi being able to crit is the biggest non-factor buff I've seen in this game, period.
I stared at that buff on S@20 and in the patch notes and loterally could not think of what value such a change had. Like, she’s never gonna build crit, unless it’s a glass cannon cheese build, at which point lethality might still be better since it isn’t RNG based. Maybe in URF..
Illabethe1 votesYou do not have to go glass cannot to build crit. It's on AD items now..... Essence Reaver used to be Core on Vi Season 7.
Frosted Tips1 votesNo it was not.
Iota Theta1 votesYou do not have to go glass cannot to build crit. It's on AD items now..... Essence Reaver used to be Core on Vi Season 7.
As far as I’m aware..no, it was not core on her. Trinity always was her core, then building for her dive.
And yes, actually, you do still have to go more glass cannon to get value out of crit. Just cause ID and ER have AD does not make them non-glass cannon. 25% crit is too low to dip into and sacrifice better items, like guaranteed raw defense like in DMP or a Sterak’s Gage. Buying an ER for 25% crit, or an IE for up to 50% is relying too much on an RNG for what Vi needs. She’s a diver, she wants some AD items, and then items to lengthen her life. Consider she, like other Divers, already need Trinity/Cleaver, boots, GA, that’s three item slots. Add jungle item, and that gives her two more slots for situational, most likely Sterak’s or resistance items, or more AD if majorly ahead. She won’t be going crit anymore than Xin, Nocturne, Jarvan IV, or even most Yi’s.
Saianna1 votesI dunno mate, but ability to double your damage because of RNG is pretty.. well.. HUGE.. factor.
From my experience everyone is unhappy that trynda can with any early duel due to his crits. This will be the same thing, but slightly later in the game.
I have this feeling this change is pretty big, which makes me somewhat surprised you act as if this is nothing.
chipndip13 votesI dunno mate, but ability to double your damage because of RNG is pretty.. well.. HUGE.. factor.
From my experience everyone is unhappy that trynda can with any early duel due to his crits. This will be the same thing, but slightly later in the game.
I have this feeling this change is pretty big, which makes me somewhat surprised you act as if this is nothing.
You're right. Lemme get Critmaster Garen over here to agree with you.
Saianna1 votesjust cause you don't see the point using it, won't mean someone will figure out a way to make crit-vi working. And with lil bit of luck whatever abomination they have cooked up might become popular. It's not the first time such things happend (not with crit, but overall).
Other thing is, she's mobile and has solid CC. Crit might allow her to do even more damage faster.
And finally her build path can also include just a tad of crit. Won't make her critting monster, but dare she pull tryndamere RNG luck out of her ass, you will be toast.
chipndip12 votesjust cause you don't see the point using it, won't mean someone will figure out a way to make crit-vi working. And with lil bit of luck whatever abomination they have cooked up might become popular. It's not the first time such things happend (not with crit, but overall).
Other thing is, she's mobile and has solid CC. Crit might allow her to do even more damage faster.
And finally her build path can also include just a tad of crit. Won't make her critting monster, but dare she pull tryndamere RNG luck out of her ass, you will be toast.
Why are you banking your success to "hopefully critting"? Also, why do you think a singular aoe crit is going to change how badly Vi falls off? Why are you building no resistances so you can survive longer than your initial engage before dying? Why aren't you thinking about the logistics and opting for this "vacuum" logic where everything can only go one way?
Alzon4 votesBot lane Vi tho
... except it’s a lot worse without the Stormrazor crit. On PBE, I was building 
with Fleet Footwork and critting E’s for 1k damage. After completing Stormrazor, a single E would delete caster minions and half-health the melees.
Now, you gotta invest fully into crit for the benefit. Could honestly work, with Mallet or Rylai’s tossed in for a bit of bulk and stickiness alongside Tabi/Mercs. Or Triforce if fed, but we’d prefer the big AoE damage for this build, not single-target. The goal is making Jinx and her rockets jealous.
Ravenhale4 votesWhy is it always six item builds being discussed when it's normally only 3 plus boots? Like is Vi seriously going to build ER/IE as 2nd and 3rd items? Feels like forever to just get Warrior/Trinity Force.
Illabethe1 votesShe will begin going > or , depending on the team she's vs. Part of her whole scalability is getting her CDR to take off. And if you're a good jungle farmer, you can buy on her about the same rate you buy on Udyr.
If playing well you can 14-15 minute your second item.
Ravenhale1 votesPossibly... but ER doesn't have a better build order than Tri Force. Like I could see doing ER if you have a really good back and can buy the thing outright... or upgrade to ER instead of Warrior since you might already have the Warhammer. But if you already picked up Warrior... I think the decision for ER would be made before Warrior. Like, hey, I'm doing well, the enemy comp is mostly champs I can take out with full rotation, so why not. Kind of like when Lethality was stronger, you'd just turn your Warhammer into a lethality item before finishing warrior.
Still don't know if you'd follow that up with IE though. Generally the champs you can one shot are the ones that can one shot you back if you haven't built any sort of defense. Not that Tri Force was heavy on defense either, but it is a little more health. And I'm pretty sure you usually follow Tri Force with some defense, be it Steraks, Deadmans or maybe even GA.
Definitely something to check out in a play tester. Compare ER+Warrior dmg vs Tri Force+Warrior dmg and maybe a few iterations of the build paths leading up to that.
Neko Siren2 votesI like how nobody talks about her and 
:3 iss sah guuuud
Illabethe1 votesActually although the concept is okay, it's not ranking as actually a good item on her. Reason is because Q is a charge ability and E, except E's charge rate is only minimal in combat and doesn't prevent her from dying. It's just damage on top of damage.
hiyares1 votes[{quoted}](name=Neko Siren,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=NNOU6lYk,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2019-03-05T21:26:35.553+0000)
I like how nobody talks about her and
went down looking for this before i said it lol
Hotarµ1 votesI actually don't mind the E crit as much as I do the changes being made to her ultimate.
She's going to enter a teamfight with a build like this:
or + 
Ult the enemy AD carry, split a path through the entire team knocking them back and dealing full damage to them (since they removed the reduced damage to secondary targets) and Vi is still going to slam the AD for heavy damage and still have a full combo to blow on them since everyone else has been pushed away.
I'm aware that Vi has kind of always done this but this is just way too strong for a point and click ability.
JuiceBoxP1 votesHonestly, i started playing vi recently... I agree she is on the stronger side, but that buff doesn't help her alot. No body builds crit on her anyways..
For the ult changes.... I think she needs this to force people not to group up... Because once you ult the backline you are guarenteed to die 3 seconds later when the enemy is grouped and you are in the center
Illabethe3 votesThe problem is they buffed EVERY PART OF HER KIT.
The Passive buff was enough to compensate for her dive. (10% to 15% of Max HP)
Illabethe3 votesMy build will allow her to do the same..... except it will allow a followup crit pentakill AFTER she ults. The ult will do about 900 damage. The followup 2X E will do 2600.
Hotarµ1 votesI think the problem with the E "buff" is that you have to actually build crit for your E to... well, crit lol
I'm not sure if most Vi players would be willing to sacrifice a GA, Steraks, Dead Mans, or Triforce for a full crit build. Even if it was something as simple as an Infinity Edge being added, that's still only a 25% chance to crit rather than a guaranteed one.
JoB0b1 votesAs a vi main, the changes aren't going to do much . Knock back from r isn't really much of a knock back anyway... Her kit is the same so defending against her doesn't change. I'm not even sure yet this will even do much for her outside of helping her farm with changes to q. Plus if she substitutes more damage instead of more tanky she will die faster
Illabethe1 votesThe build mentioned sacrifices:
-450 HP -45 Armor
To gain: -20% CDR -50% Crit -Crit Multiplier
Not much of a sacrifice at all for a huge gain.
Zane Zephyr1 votesim surprised nobodys talking about how busted 
will be on her
Illabethe1 votesI don't think it will be. All it does to her W is increase the rate of charge, not apply it twice.
In Q + 2 E, she'll proc it, but then her kit's usually done and relying on auto attacks until cooldowns are up.
People won't take it for the same principal they don't take 
on her; she has trouble staying engaged that long, and teamfights don't let her function as an attack speed champ, even though attack speed works well in duels.
Zane Zephyr1 votesit will cause her W to be proc'd every other attack so her shield will always be up
Illabethe1 votesIt's "Possible" but that's going to take 3 procs to refresh her passive, so I think there will still be gaps.
It also takes her using a skill to activate her shield, and usually her E is burnt as soon as she enters a fight, and her Q is on cooldown by the time Guinsoo's is proccing. It might get her an extra shield in a fight, but I don't think it will be worth it unless she's also running a Shojin's......which is an iffy build.
ModKnightsKemplar1 votesYeah, this is another of those cases I'd love to hear from Riot about. It's tough to understand the motivation for that one for me.
Worst Morde NA1 votesMeanwhil, Morde's Q still doesn't crit
giannishannibal1 votesYou want to build 3 of the most expensive items in the game ( , and ) . So at what stage this build will come online. IF you game goes that well and you get that many kills then probably the game is already over before you complete the build. If the game goes past 40 min then adc and tanks are also online and can cc and kite and oblitetate you since you dont have that much hp or resistances. Yes it can deal damage but guess what Zoe with 
and can E Q and pretty much kill anyone other than pure tanks and zoe can buy this build way faster than vi can build hers.. This build may function well in iron and bronze that dont ward like at all but from gold or higher you wont complete it most of the time.
Illabethe1 votesI can build this in Diamond by just starting a snowball.
giannishannibal1 votesAnd what happens in the games that you dont get a snowball for varius reasons ( warded bushes or lucky 10 hp opponents walks away etc) and you dont get kills. Afk jungle farm doesnt generate that much gold and vi without red buff to slow enemies is not so great. And in late game with your q and r you maybe go way to deep for your team to reach you fast enough to help and lets be honest there are many champions that can handle her burst themselves and then kill you or the enemy team will collapse on you and kill you or the support will exhaust you and then the team kill you. If your target have zohnya or gurdian angel then they can survive and you will leave you team 4 vs 5. That may result in a dragon or baron or inhibitor. If you have complete this kind of expensive build and your team doesnt care if they fight 4vs5 or 5vs5 then you got such a great lead early on and you waste time to kill more and make your teams KDA better.
BestPudgeNA1 votesShe won't go crit unless they bring the old Critty Force back, these changes are a fucking meme. The better is why did they nerf her so god damn hard and call it a "buff"