Darius Changes?

BattleMage130902·Jul 7, 2016·3 votes·892 views

1: Quality of life change: Either I'm colorblind or the dunkmaster darius skin's q has a border that does not go as far as the actual ability, making it harder to dodge, and maybe make it a bit more opaque instead of the transparent color that blends into the ground in some places

3: Quality of life change: A marker like Zeds ult to show which champions Darius can ult and kill for the reset (Maybe just for Darius, maybe for all players)

4: Remove the cripple function on his w, as his e is more than enough cc and it's anti-fun to be unable to run from a guy who's kit is built on taking on a bunch of people who want to fight and aren't just running away. Ideas for buffing it back up so its not underpowered: Give it an aoe damage like malphite's w autos or give it bonus bleed stacks

5: Have the q slow darius by a small amount while casting to make it more possible to outrun him or outplay him but give him a short movespeed boost upon hitting the q blade part.

26 Comments

TheOvermindJul 7, 20163 votes

As if the q outline is not already screaming "IM Qing YOU !" If anything they should remove the outline of the axe. You can very easily tell he is going to q you by the beginning of his animation.

You also want to remove the w slow which is his only reliable way of him hitting the edge of his q in a duel? Also darius counters immobile Tanky opponents because of armor pen true damage and they can't dodge his q . On the other hand mobile high dps fighters destroy him later on because they just jump on him whenever darius tries to q. So he never heals from it. (Jax and fiora should always q on top of Darius when he tries to q them )

I don't mind the execute indicator even though experienced darius players simply look at how much hp the target has (when they reach 5 stacks ) and knowing that the ult does approximately 300/600/900 damage. Can tell if the ulti will kill or not. I guess it would be nice when you want to dunk an entire team though.

rtbf69774614Jul 7, 20161 votes

This^, though the indicator is un-needed

BattleMage130902Jul 7, 20161 votes

Regarding the fact of his Q needing to hit the edge:

1: I dont think he's meant to be a 1v1 champion, he's more of a teamfighting pentadunk i will heal so much you cry kind of champion. This means that even if jax and fiora can take him out 1v1 LATEGAME (Meaning his laning phase would be fine), there are bound to be immobile enemy champions in teamfights and Darius can easily focus those guys instead of the flashy dashy ones while his team backs him up with targeted abilities, auto's, etc. The mobile DPS fighters would probably go for more priority targets like the ADC or APC as well in teamfights.

2: You have to consider the items Darius usually builds, specifically black cleaver, which gives him that bit of movespeed he needs to get to q position.

3: Isn't his E pull and 90% slow enough to secure targets and whack them with his axe?

TheOvermindJul 7, 20161 votes

Who told you he is not meant for duels ? The fact that he is a juggernaut that succeeds in teamfights doesn't mean he can't duel. Think about Nasus who cripples dps fighters but sucks vs tanks and Tanky juggernauts (because his q lifesteal is mitigated because of their armor) illaoi is also very strong 1v1.

Honestly darius is a very slow moving champion and very susceptible to kite. People are even getting stormraiders on him to mitigate some of his immobility. Some people miss how his pre rework passive gave him bonus movement speeds based on the number of bleed stacks he had applied on champions.

For immobile champions it is more than enough. For mobile champions it nowhere near enough. I'd like some changes and power shifts here. Maybe we can discuss something that can be done where he is not overoppresive vs immobile champions but feels completely powerless vs mobile champions. Or maybe we can accept that darius is by design strong vs immobile champions but struggles vs mobility. What do you think ?

BattleMage130902Jul 7, 20161 votes

Honestly, champions who hard counter one type and get destroyed by another type need to have it weighed out a bit to make it less snowbally depending on champion select. If the entire game is decided when picking champions, whats the point? It should at least be possible for Darius to win against a mobile champ, and possible for an immobile champ to beat Darius BASED ON SKILL not based on how lucky you were in pick and ban phase

TheOvermindJul 7, 20161 votes

Nothing is decided in champ select. Get over that. If you know how to play your champion and what his strenghts and weaknesses are then you can win the game even vs the hardest of counters. Also certain champions are strong vs others but struggle vs others. It's how it works. Think of yasuo who utterly destroys mages ,but gets shit on by some mobile fighters that can keep up with his mobility like irelia and fiora. The game is binary. It's not all sunshine and rainbows. You pick a champion because of his strengths while acknowledging his weaknesses at the same time and not because you think he is cool or because he can make siq 1v1 plays.

TheSingularityJul 7, 20162 votes

All for QoL changes. Don't know how you're meant to avoid that Q without a dash. And its counterplay, is counter-intuitive. You need to escape darius, so run towards him to avoid his Q, which in turn puts u in range of his slow, pull and ult.

TheOvermindJul 7, 20161 votes

For the love of God it's not the end of the world if he hits you with q. Where were you when his q was instant and was a legit chunk, before his rework?

TheSingularityJul 7, 20161 votes

I was here. Still doesn't make it ok that there is a 0% chance of escape if he catches you. I have survived lane against Darius as one champ and one champ only, gnar. He should not have so few counters and wreck everyone else

TheOvermindJul 7, 20161 votes

Ok you sound like a little bit inexperienced against darius then. Just pick whoever you like to play as and play safe lv1-3 . Yes he might poke you with q whatever. Most important lesson is he will push the lane to you . Now you don't even have to ask for a gank , most junglers gank top lane at the 3-4 minute mark, and it doesn't matter if the jungler has 0 cc or sucks early like amumu or ww or yi darius has 0 escapes and he will die to the gank 99 % of the time . This my friend is how you beat darius. You use his over oppressiveness against him .

BattleMage130902Jul 7, 20161 votes

Point being, LoL is a game, its meant to be fun, where's then fun in a champion who you need to hug turret and sit around doing nothing for ages to beat? Making next level plays and outplaying opponents requires skill and its the fun in league, so why shouldn't they optimize the game to reward skill rather than create champions where the only strategy to beat them is to hide

TheOvermindJul 7, 20161 votes

Mate, what are you on about ? League Is not about the laning phase and 1v1ing your opponent , it's about working together as a team and using your champions strengths to succeed in that. Darius is a lane bully deal with it. The game has plenty of em: there is Leblanc and fizz and zed in the mid lane, draven Lucian Leona bot. Seriously you need to stop whining and wait for your champions power spikes to do your thing. So if you are playing fiora or tryndamere top vs darius. Yes he will screw you over in lane but you shit on him once you complete a couple of items. Or if your playing malphite or maokai you should never be going for 1v1 plays or whatever. Passively farm and get Tanky and then look for some tp plays to impact the game or start grouping mid game for teamfights. Like holy shit. You 2 sound like a couple whiny babies that got rekt by a darius in their games.

BattleMage130902Jul 7, 20161 votes

bruh you're a darius main aren't you XD IT EXPLAINS EVERYTHING but on a more serious note why are you saying we think darius is op? Its easy to beat him sure but the point is beating him is a waste of time because its simply not fun. there's that word again "passively farm". you're not getting the point, and the point is that he's anti fun.

TheOvermindJul 7, 20161 votes

I certainly do play darius a lot and I enjoy him but by no means do I main him. I'm a 200k mastery zilean main. (Zilean is also a great example of the kind of champion that darius would dumpster in lane but zilean would completely shut down later on in fights) Like I said he is a lane bully ,he is there by definition to bully and make your life miserable! It's what lane bullies do, games got plenty of em. So next time don't tilt of he is pressuring you and accept the fact that some champions are anti fun . As a mage players I hate vsing Leblanc. She makes me want to kill myself. But i don't stress. I play more passive and safely farm to out scale Her.

BattleMage130902Jul 7, 20161 votes

You're literally admitting he's anti fun and saying "Deal with it" but i play league to have fun, and why include anti fun champions in a game? I just put up some ideas for changes that would in no way effect his character and style or power level but would just make it a more feasible lane for players to have fun with (i.e do something thats not hugging turret, last hitting minions and pinging frantically for a gank)

TheSingularityJul 7, 20161 votes

Tried that, was zac, didn't die til lvl 7. Rek sai ganked, 3 knock ups, a slow and 2 combos later. Darius walks out with a double.

TheOvermindJul 7, 20161 votes

Bullshit. You must have played that very poorly then.

TheSingularityJul 7, 20161 votes

how so? lets out full combo of 2 champions onto 1, he prevails, what more can be done? Be like saying a bard played badly cos a yi killed him 1v1

TheOvermindJul 7, 20161 votes

There is so many things with you just said, if you think like that I can't help you at all.

TheSingularityJul 7, 20161 votes

English please? Think like what? I can do more with tools I don't have?

TheOvermindJul 7, 20161 votes

O shit my phones auto correct screws that up a bit. I just basically said you have the wrong mindset and you bring up pitiful excuses to cover up a non existent issue

TheSingularityJul 7, 20161 votes

Soz if it came across that way. But that's how it always seems to go down.

KONO RUBICK DAJul 7, 20161 votes

i would like his Q mark to be red.

Friendly RamJul 7, 20161 votes

Change name to dar-dar binks

420 gramsJul 7, 20161 votes

I think the marker would take the skill out of it, so not a good idea

D3m37r1Jul 7, 20161 votes

During the juggernaut rework they specifically said that they did not want to add an execute indicator for Darius . The reason is that since it resets on kills there is literally no reason to not ult someone if u see it. Especially considering that at rank 3 the cooldown is fully reset and it costs no mana. With Garen and Chogath there are no resets so it's ok.