People of boards, there's a reason why Riven has been complained for years

IsIsGankedParis··2 votes·442 views

People hate her for a reason and have been complaining for years, about since her hotfix after release.

She has ridiculous damage and incredibly high mobility, the wall jumping wasn't intended until Riot added it.

She scales so ludicrously well with cdr it's disgusting, she can have her Q up permanently and spam her AD scaling shield every 4 seconds(it lasts 1.5).

She has 2 forms of hard CC in her kit.

She has a Bruiser kit but able to dish out assassin level damage within 2-3 seconds giving little counterplay to the enemy unless they have hard CC to stop her, high mobility, or both.

Her animation cancelling is disgusting in lane, she can just combo you then dash out if she wants to, and if you do get back in range as her she can just stun you or decide you aren't worth living in her lane anymore.

And the whole "She has to snowball or she's worthless" is the worst possible excuse I have heard, she doesn't need to snowball, a Riven who is behind to say an enemy Darius can just pop her ult for a huge AD steroid and have her passive enhance her autos immensely.

The fact that she can spam her spells in lane all day while being resourceless is also annoying, but that is a huge issue with most resourceless champions unlike Garen.

The worst thing about laning against her is how long she can keep her Q up to zone and the cooldown only starts at the first Q, not last Q.

Where's the fair treatment to Garen?

She isn't hard to play by any means, the animation cancelling is maybe slightly difficult to get down, but that doesn't warrant the insane damage.

People have been complaining for years and simply telling them to "git gud" isn't going to cut it, there are high tier players who say she is toxic as hell and unfun to play against or just obnoxious in general.

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67chrome3 votes

People hate her for a reason and have been complaining for years, about since her hotfix after release.

Which doesn't have much to do with balance.

When you're talking about motivating people enough to speak up about something: you're pretty much always talking about making an emotional impact, which results in a subjective response.

Perfect example: politics.


Objectively speaking? Riven isn't that impressive compared to a wide range of other champions. Average QWER is ~1000+2.22 AP or +4.90 bonus AD, and Riven is at 1112.6+612% (assuming her ult target is at 1% remaining health). Also - a typical assassin can leap ~700 range in one swift motion and unload their burst with usually only 3 button-presses, where Riven needs to use at least 2 of her mobility skills to close a 550 range gap: and she needs to utalize animation canceling to unload her burst as swiftly as other assassins like Fiora and Zed are capable of doing by default.

You also aren't comparing Riven to any champion or data point - simply throwing around words like "disgusting". Which kind of gives the impression you're point of comparison is a purple caster minion. You can make any champion seem OP by just listing off the ~15 things their kit lets them do.

KarKzz2 votes

she is like zed, you either play a hard counter, or you don't play at all. You hug your tower, safely farming minion. This is not "op" just plain boring, and most people die agains those kind of champ because they play to have fun and / or can't play safe.

Nytemaric2 votes

I'm not saying Riven isn't unnecessarily strong, but she has weaknesses. Early game, she's squishy and her health regen is low. Her shield is easy to bait out. It isn't that strong early seeing as she won't have much AD and it has a relatively long cooldown. Just don't drag trades out longer than they need to be. Stand in your minions when she wants to trade to make her push then farm near tower for your jungler to gank if you need the help.

Though it isn't mentioned here, the "Her shield scales off of the stat she's building" argument isn't really much of an argument either. Safe mages with arguably more and quicker burst have shields that scale off ap. it's a 10 second cd at rank 1 without cdr. Let's say she has 15% cdr from runes and masteries that's still 8.5. Yeah, it isn't that long but you have an opportunity in that time frame, try to make use of it.

Compare her two to someone like Maokai or Nautilus who are much more useful later in the game. Both of her CC are barely bigger than her auto-attack range and she builds full AD. She relies on picks lategame. Unless you're playing against an amazing Riven or your team isn't very smart, she shouldn't be able to jump into your team without suffering for it.

If you shut her down, don't allow her to farm or roam. She does have to snowball but she can do so easily because her core items aren't very expensive. Most assassin builds aren't.

Most resourceless champs can spam, not just Riven. The reason Garen doesn't isn't the same is because he's made to punish mistakes. He snowballs just as hard if not harder than Riven. He gets kited later in the game but so does Riven. She needs flash to even attempt to go in on someone in most cases late game.

She does have unhealthy elements in her kit. Pretty much anyone you ask will agree but for the most part she's "balanced". She's not invincible, just learn the matchup better and deal with it accordingly instead of complaining. The "X champion is overpowered" thing is getting old.

I recommend playing her for a few games. Learn her strengths and weaknesses and employ what you've learned the next time you play against her. She's a fun champ despite all the hate she gets.

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