Reminder that Kindred is more likely to win than lose in every match-up, except one.

WoonStruck·Apr 29, 2016·7 votes·760 views

And that one match-up is .

If you're questioning why something else hasn't been nerfed, I suggest you question why hasn't been nerfed first.

Keep in mind she has one of the highest win-rates and one of the lowest 'average player games'. This means people who effectively don't know how to play her are the large majority of whomever is determining her stats in-game.

Also consider the fact that players who are experienced with her reach an absurd 66% win-rate.

16 Comments

WoonStruckApr 29, 20163 votes

Wolf's Frenzy (W):
    Duration increased to 8.5 seconds from 8 seconds
    Now builds stacks on attacking and moving rather than just moving.*
        [Movement stacking slightly lowered, "overall you should be gaining a little more W if you are kitting well and a lot more if you are kitting poorly." 1/2 ]
    Wolf Attacks now do 50% increased damage to monsters

Doesn't really nerf her too hard. Its making her easier to play and doesn't hold her down too long because of these changes. She's already the 'lowest average player experience' champion with the highest win-rate. She doesn't need to be made easier.

Dance of Arrows (Q) Casting W or using Q while in W zone now reduces cooldown to 4/3.5/3/2.5/2 seconds from 2 seconds.

This passive needs to be moved to W. Plain and simple.

Kindred needs straight nerfs, not 'compensation buffs'. Why is it that any champion that isn't an ADC or universally hated never gets compensation buffs if they get nerfed? Its like Riot wants their game to be a bad experience.

IgotlazyApr 29, 20162 votes

Kindred's strength is primarily in the early game and it's due to their ability to weave autos and Qs together to maximize damage. This scaling Q nerf is a HEAVY hit to that early game power.

WoonStruckApr 29, 20162 votes

And she NEEDS a heavy hit. She doesn't need compensation buffs to go along with it.

IgotlazyApr 29, 20162 votes

The 8 seconds to 8.5 is to allow the new 4 second Cooldown to be slightly less restrictive with the hops (you'd need to really spam that button to be able to do Q->W, Q 4 seconds later, Q 4 seconds after that). The heal is a pretty small change. Do I think it's needed? Maybe. The Q nerf affects their clear pretty drastically as well.

Trashing a champion is something I would rather avoid.

AnonymousPoroApr 29, 20162 votes

Although Kindred is my favorite champ released to date(other than Braum), I agree that she just needs straight nerfs. No compensation buffs, just straight nerfs to her Q, W, or both. Either that, or they need to make her more difficult, somehow(somewhat like Azir, for example).

WoonStruckApr 29, 20162 votes

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Although Kindred is my favorite champ released to date(other than Braum), I agree that she just needs straight nerfs. No compensation buffs, just straight nerfs to her Q, W, or both. Either that, or they need to make her more difficult, somehow(somewhat like Azir, for example).

I agree.

As an ADC, her early game SHOULD be shit, considering how hard she scales.

Moving the new per-level CD passive to her W instead of Q would nerf her enough for the compensation to be reasonable.

It nerfs her Q damage or CD in any given circumstance. You have to choose if you want more burst via Q leveling, or more DPS/clear-speed via W leveling.

That's not unreasonable, is it?

AnonymousPoroApr 29, 20162 votes

It's reasonable. Sounds fair enough to move her CD to W so she can't immediately max Q first and kite(or pursue) so easily.

BídoofApr 29, 20162 votes

If you know how to play against her she isn't that overbearing. She does need a nerf though

Nanuk PihoqahiakApr 29, 20161 votes

Eh. If people know how to play against her, why is she still boasting a 66 percent winrate, assuming the op is correct? Statistically, that's in the realm of EXTREMELY likely to win or influence a game on its own.

WoonStruckApr 29, 20161 votes

If people know how to play against her, you'd assume her win-rate, play-rate, and ban-rate would be going down as time goes on. Instead is a steady incline** as people learn how to play against her. **

EndlessSorcererApr 29, 20162 votes

She already has nerfs to her dueling/fighting up on the PBE, so...

MunchCrunchLunchApr 29, 20162 votes

everytime they nerf her they give her an equal compensation buff. on the pbe shes getting one slight nerf and 2 buffs which is ridiculous. shes op now because they nerfed pretty much every jungler except her. so shes at the top of the bottle now

NekusenApr 29, 20162 votes

Im ok with nerfing everything that has infinite scaling, being Kindred Nasus or the new Veigar

The DeckownerApr 29, 20161 votes

rework passive and ult, there u go.

Maximum MordeApr 29, 20161 votes

Just make a new item, we can call it the Butchers Cleaver. On hit passive, animals are instantly slain and turned into lamb chops that go b into your inventory. Lamb Chops may be eaten to restore 300 health over 5 seconds and give the buff, "Good Eatin'".