57.55% Winrate with the highest pickrate of 26.47%
http://na.op.gg/champion/ezreal/statistics/adc
His winrate and pickrate are both higher than Janna's were during the Ardent meta. This is beyond hotfix worthy tbh.
Sahn Uzal18 votesHis Q was applying Muramana twice. That bug got fixed, now they're waiting to see how he fares without it :) Meddler mentioned that in his recent Quick Gameplay Thoughts.
Penns6 votesThat didnt happen when he was a broken jungler tho Now theres Klepto on top of that kek
My Waifu Vanilla3 votesExcept he was never a broken jungler unless you pushed the wave hard level 1 mid and called him OP when he ganked you level 2.
NineTailedMystic2 votesor invaded your jungler and killed them at level 2.
Azadethe6 votesYou do realize if Jungler Ez ganks TOP at level 2, there's no counterplay. He can Q over a wall from any angle up there, and you can't do anything about it to really get away, or shelter yourself using minions. if you try to hide in minions, the laner eats you. If you try to turret, Ezreal can just spam you. If you try to confront Ez, you take 3 Q's to the face and the laner joins him in killing you.
Bot and Mid were a little easier to protect from Ez. but top..... no.
My Waifu Vanilla3 votesThere is counterplay. You WILL know if he is coming top level 2 by simply watching the map (he does need a decent leash so your laner showing up late is a very big giveaway) or by (heaven forbid) dropping a ward. Oh no you have to forfeit some of the first wave to avoid dying and losing creeps anyway.
Azadethe7 votesWards and knowing he's coming doesn't really help here. Do what? Leave lane at level 2? Give opponent a 2-3 level lead while you come back after faking him out? What you're conveniently ignoring is most Tops are melees, and have no way to counterplay Ez, even if you see him coming. Even if you're a Quinn or Teemo or Vayne, you have no counterplay that early vs an Ez whose range is over 500 higher. You can dodge hits, but Ez can just spam them until he hits, the top laner comes and helps, and your only hope is a minion wave passing your turret to block him.
There isn't a good choice at all in countering Ez top. That's the problem with the lane. 1150 Range is OP as is. Putting it on a jungler who doesn't even have to risk a turret dive is even more OP.
Wards don't prevent that (although ofc wards are your friend).
DuskDaUmbreon2 votesDidn't he still have a sub-50 winrate as a jungler before preseason? I'd hardly call that broken.
GayFluffyUnicorn3 votes53 in plat +
Durzaka9 votesThat bugfix happened like 4 days ago.
His win rate and pick rate hasnt been affected at all
LankPants16 votesRiot's OK with busted ADCs, hence Twitch and Trist over the last several months. It's very clear bias.
RiotRiot MapleNectar10 votesWe've been looking into Klepto as well as Ezreal. We've got changes for Ez in the works, they just haven't gone to PBE yet.
Spideraxe1 votesHey Maple I'm seeing the Ezreal change you mentioned on the PBE, is it just reverting his Q AD ratio from 1.25 to 1.10 or is there more. And could I ask about Klepto
RiotRiot MapleNectar6 votesOh rip! Didn't realize they made the build last night. That's what it is for now. Might be further tweaks/changes, but for now it's a revert of the 7.17 buff.
Klepto has some more under the hood changes that are trickier to get into, but there's tweaks being made to the loot tables. The easy to understand change for it is that the bonus 25 range is being removed though. All in all, don't believe that the rune itself is far off from actually being balanced, rather it has a few champions that are able to abuse it far better than others (looking at you Ezreal and Sona). In cases where a rune is being abused by a small set of champions, but is fine on the rest, we're going to look to target the edge case champions rather than nerf the rune for everyone.
Shadow Hazard12 votesso ez gets a love tap to his damage while sona gets an axe to hers?
EternalShock7 votesfuk both
Zardel1 votes[{quoted}](name=Maple Nectar,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=NEAHFEPp,comment-id=001600000000,timestamp=2017-11-21T21:40:05.612+0000)
Oh rip! Didn't realize they made the build last night. That's what it is for now. Might be further tweaks/changes, but for now it's a revert of the 7.17 buff.
Klepto has some more under the hood changes that are trickier to get into, but there's tweaks being made to the loot tables. The easy to understand change for it is that the bonus 25 range is being removed though. All in all, don't believe that the rune itself is far off from actually being balanced, rather it has a few champions that are able to abuse it far better than others (looking at you Ezreal and Sona). In cases where a rune is being abused by a small set of champions, but is fine on the rest, we're going to look to target the edge case champions rather than nerf the rune for everyone.
While I do find the change of getting rid of that range bonus good overall, the bigger issue with the rune is that the cooldown isn't long enough with it being set at 2 seconds of a cooldown on it making it too easy to spam abilities to gain a faster gold lead for those small set of champions which a cooldown of around 8 seconds to use would be more than enough to keep it in check if you're going to leave it as a damage dealer type rune for gold gain/items since you would see better outcome of reducing the abuse for a gold lead if anything rather than leave the cooldown at 2 seconds.
Shatter the Sun1 votesIf you are spamming spells like that then you go oom. You have to hope on a mana pot which isnt a good way to have consistent sustain. There have been games where I have gotten less than 4 mana pots and had to back or fight cause I went oom spamming spells trying to get procs. 2 seconds is fine. This rune provides nothing late game where everyone else still has extra dmg and other utilities. Them nerfing the extra range is fine. Any more nerfs to this already fine keystone and it becomes a dark harvest.
Lestat S464 votesSo your doing exactly as predicted. Certain Keystones are OP on certain champs. So since you cant nerf the keystone because its only OP on those people and mediocre or garbage on other champs you have to nerf that champ. Now the ones who didnt take that keystone, because they followed your entire goal of rune update was to build your own playstyle, are now nerfed when they were balanced before. All in all I HATE Ezreal and dont like any meta wheres hes strong but the precedent it sets makes me fear for my own champs.
Queš1 votesNot about Ezreal but can you give us some insight on Yorick's nerfs if there will be any ?
laststanding61 votesSo ezreal is going to remain a fucking disgust champion. Yay. The displeasure you can easily feel from facing an ez is extreme because of how disgustingly broken kleptomancy. It feels legitimately like you are walking into an almost guaranteed loss. It is so fucking disgusting on him yet you are unwilling to change it because it only applies to like 5 which is understandable but I mean come one.
I am not a particularly good player but I don't think I am particularly bad. He feels so fucking strong and has seems ti have very little counterplay with his inbuilt flash. It leaves a very sour taste when ALL you do is such a fucking minimal change to the q. It feels like you're a fireman coming on to a burning has, putting a single drop of water on the fire, saying job done then moving to the next house. I REALLY hope there will be more changes soon because games with him are extremely daunting and almost chore like to play.
That being said though I geuss it is very difficult to balance things as they are atm due to just how much of a shakedown this was. Anyhow have a safe Christmas and thanksgiving. Gday from Australia.
Fedoran1 votesMaple I may not be a balance expert, but I would recommend to the team that you nerf the base damage on Ez's Q rather than the ratio. People are getting so mad because early game his Q chunks a good portion of your health, and since it is spammable will force you out of lane.
By nerfing the base damage people won't be forced out of lane and have a chance to outscale Ez, while nerfing the ratios will make him more useless against full tanks than he already is (seriously, hes more like an on hit assassin at this point)
Penns9 votesId rather have press the attack nerfs tho
Akali is SO HOT38 votesWhy not both?
Ebonbolt3 votesBut why would you nerf that garbage
Troll for Trump6 votesIt's not garbage. If you take out ez, it's probably on aery tier in terms of keystone power, and even better as the game progresses. It's literally free %dmg amplication to all dmg
Sukishoo8 votesIt was known for awhile that he wasn't getting hit in 7.23 Like come on, you can see the PBEs latest stuff on surrenderat20.
Linna Excel8 votesI thought riot was going to fix the bug on his Q and then wait and see. It's possible that kleptomancy will get nerfed instead. It seems to be too good on its few power users.
https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/runes/ezreal
If you look at that, it seems to be exclusively kleptomancy pages with the broken win rate.
Black Alistar5 votes[{quoted}](name=Linna Excel,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=NEAHFEPp,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2017-11-20T22:45:19.663+0000)
I thought riot was going to fix the bug on his Q and then wait and see. It's possible that kleptomancy will get nerfed instead. It seems to be too good on its few power users.
https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/runes/ezreal
If you look at that, it seems to be exclusively kleptomancy pages with the broken win rate.
Quote for emphasis.
For some reason the mindless hordes ignore this.
Kloqdq2 votesHonestly, part of it is Ezreal as a champion. Klepto is not that busted frankly speaking but Ezreal can really abuse it's power compared to other champions. Klepto could likely be toned down somewhat but saying it is JUST Klepto and not also Ezreal is like looking at Lucian and Black Cleaver and saying, "Nah, that's just Cleaver dog". It is ignoring the root of the issue and pinning it just on one part of the whole issue.
Ardent and Janna were basically the same. Got to hit both to really solve the problem completely.
Skorch4 votesPersonally i trust: https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/stats/ezreal more.
Not saying 54.2% is okay, but even champion.gg states it as only 55%.
Also why nerf EZ? Perfectly fine for months (Aside from being put in the jg because he got REAL bad bot lane for a bit. Even then both winrates were okay) RR hits and all of a sudden BOOM there is a problem. Isnt that an OBVIOUS thing that he is abusing something in RR, and thus something in RR need to be harder to abuse?
For instance According to LoG klepto Ez has 55% winrate. every other rune is 50%.
Dokueki Kenshin4 votesThey’re still trying to determine how much of this is Ezreal and how much of it is Kleptomancy. Considering that I’ve played Ezreal in multiple roles, with multiple different mastery setups, my personal experience tells me that Kleptomancy is more of the problem than the champion. Not only are the free gold and free stats that you get from it absolutely ridiculous, but his win rates with masteries outside of Klepto are barely above 50%, If not being sub-50%.
Black Alistar2 votes[{quoted}](name=Dokueki Kenshin,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=NEAHFEPp,comment-id=0015,timestamp=2017-11-21T21:15:01.804+0000)
They’re still trying to determine how much of this is Ezreal and how much of it is Kleptomancy. Considering that I’ve played Ezreal in multiple roles, with multiple different mastery setups, my personal experience tells me that Kleptomancy is more of the problem than the champion. Not only are the free gold and free stats that you get from it absolutely ridiculous, but his win rates with masteries outside of Klepto are barely above 50%, If not being sub-50%.
Don't worry, they'll nerf both, and Ez will be left in the dumpster again. :(
Jet Sett2 votesI'm sure he'll break something again before the season ends, I wouldn't worry too much.
My Waifu Vanilla1 votesThe thing is Klepto itself is hardly used outside of Ezreal and other edge cases. Nerfing the keystone isn't going to do anything besides make NO ONE use it while Ezreal has like 5 keystones to move between if he himself is hardly touched (nerfing Kelpto isn't going to change the fact Ezreal does 100+ damage a Q at level 1).
EkyonKun3 votesDon't worry. They're looking into it. Right now they're making sure the bugfixes to muramana didn't hit him too hard. He might need compensation buffs. : ^)
Hibeki7 votesCompensation for something he never should have had in the first place due to an oversight on something he still should never have in the first place....yeah seems like riot to me.
Bârd3 votesBecause Kleptomancy is pretty damn out there, so they're not sure if the rune is going to need work or if Ezreal himself is out of line.
Ezreal is good at breaking things, but nerfing him and then nerfing Kleptomancy without compensation would just be dumb (Even if they've done it before).
The Yetii Rider2 votesContext: There is no clear method to nerf Ezreal. He's powerful with Klepto, but you can't nerf his Q and you can't nerf the rune without ruining it for everyone else.
Tristanl0l2 votes[{quoted}](name=The Yetii Rider,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=NEAHFEPp,comment-id=0014,timestamp=2017-11-21T17:01:15.582+0000)
Context: There is no clear method to nerf Ezreal. He's powerful with Klepto, but you can't nerf his Q and you can't nerf the rune without ruining it for everyone else.
You can EASILY nerf his q damage by 20 at all ranks.
The Yetii Rider1 votesEzreal's damage isn't the problem, it's the reliability with which he procs Kleptomancy compared to other champions.
Tristanl0l2 votes[{quoted}](name=The Yetii Rider,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=NEAHFEPp,comment-id=001400000000,timestamp=2017-11-21T21:08:30.408+0000)
Ezreal's damage isn't the problem, it's the reliability with which he procs Kleptomancy compared to other champions.
his Q does 120 damage level 1. It is part of the problem
The Yetii Rider1 votesThe base damage of his Q is 35 at level 1. More importantly, he has to CS without the AS buff from Press the Attack or the AD buff from Domination/Sorcery. How is he going to do that without his Q?
Tristanl0l1 voteshttps://i.imgur.com/ARj1gI2.png
yeah. his Q isn't a problem. XDDDD~!!!
The Yetii Rider1 votesJoy. All of you crying and bitching has actually gotten a balanced champion nerfed. Congratulations.
Tristanl0l1 votesjust because you cant win on easyrel doesn't mean he doesnt have a 57% win rate
Sewer Side2 votesJust because you can't abuse Ezreal's weaknesses doesn't mean he needs nerfs.
Woah, works both ways. Ain't that some shit
NineTailedMystic1 votesi'm just happy about morgana changes. fuck her infinite sustain.
LankPants4 votesfuck her infinite sustain
Plays Ahri.
