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Buff Diana the right way!

Moonfall Saber·Jul 4, 2017·9 votes·886 views

Diana base AD now: 53 + 3 per level

Comparison:

57 + 3 per level 61 + 3.5 per level 61 + 3.2 per level 60 + 3 per level 58.8 + 3.9 per level (WTF!) 61 + 3.6 per level

these are the "wtf" ones

heres all the other ap/ support champions with higher base AD than Diana

Note I did not even include

But the most laughable thing is Diana's base mana and mana growth Base mana: 297 + 40 LO FUCKING L

The only AP champion lower than that is However at level 2 they become even and then at level 18 Ekko has 1130 mana and Diana has 977. Diana has the lowest mana in the game as far as any AP champion is concerned. This is fucking pathetic.

Ahri for example has 334 with a growth of 50.

But wait mana overall isnt complete without base mana regen which is the exact same for every mage champion and then Diana. Is Diana a mage?

Diana: 6 + 0.8

These are clear evidence of why Diana is in the current state that she is. Base AD and mana is the only buff Diana needs and any rework that you do to her is just avoid this clear problem.

12 Comments

Sire HippingtonJul 4, 20173 votes

Her lowish base ad is offset by the high damage off her passive, most other champs with a strong passive on-hit also have low base ad, like orianna or lulu Her mana is indeed an issue, though the current PBE buffs are a more elegant way off fixing that with the mana restore on the passive. Base states don't have to be streamlined if the kits compensate properly for low stats.

VoraciousXJul 4, 20172 votes

Diana doesn't really need that much mana. I usually have no problems with her mana pool when I play her. Wouldn't mind an AD buff but honestly the mini rework she's getting looks really nice overall. Up to 50% attack speed just from using an ability? Yes please. It's more of a buff than any of the things you're suggesting and the "rework" to her doesn't even really change her playstyle at all. It might keep you from ever needing to buy nashors again unless you just want it for the magic on hit damage. That means you might can replace it with Guinsoos which is honestly kind of OP on Diana if no one knew that. Her passive proc damage going off twice is so fun. I build it every time I'm ahead. Then again, if you don't buy Nashor's that means you're out 20% CDR. Guess it's still probly gonna be necessary unless people go for Morello or something, but I don't see that happening.

Moonfall SaberJul 4, 20171 votes

As a diver champion whos supposed to be auto atacking she needs an AD buff. It could be small like + 3 AD and 0.5 per level but she needs it. Mana would be nice as well because her mana pool is pathetic.

VoraciousXJul 4, 20171 votes

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As a diver champion whos supposed to be auto atacking she needs an AD buff. It could be small like + 3 AD and 0.5 per level but she needs it. Mana would be nice as well because her mana pool is pathetic.

I don't think she's gonna need that AD honestly because she's not usually even auto attacking anyone until 6. By that point 6 AD isn't gonna be worth anything hardly. If they don't give her the rework she's getting, and just give her those tiny number buffs, she'll be less effective than the rework will be 100% since the buffs/rework to Diana is actually miles stronger than live Diana(AS passive now scales to insane levels, gets mana back on passive).

When they DO eventually make her more auto attack focused, sure she could probably use an AD buff, but until then she isn't gonna be able to get on top of anyone to AA them until 6, unless she goes top lane, in which case if she's built more bruisery this could work, but then you'd have to max E first, and you'd have no AP for your passive, or not much compared to current Diana, so your passive would be kinda meaningless.

woodvsmurphJul 4, 20171 votes

I thought she was losing her current passive and it was getting shifted to her e. Which means: no bonus dmg for every 3rd hit on her passive, weaker until lvl 18 or inoptimal leveling route since your as for ability use is only reaching that optimal 50% if you scale up your e to rank 5. Hardly something you currently do until lvl 18. So it makes her more gimmicky, means she misses out on q damage or w shielding for the damage e will provide and who knows what her passive will be.

As for items, yeah I've always thought something like item 3115 item 3124 item 3027 item 3146 would be pretty amazing on her. I don't know the optimal route to get those items though - like if you start roa, you will be weak early game damage-wise; if you start the other items, you don't have the tankiness to make use of your aa and spell vamp if focused. But if you can reach something like those 4 items, you should be reasonably tanky and have a ton of dps. I guess you could also do deathcap or something in place of roa and rely on w shield for tankiness too maybe.

VoraciousXJul 4, 20171 votes

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I thought she was losing her current passive and it was getting shifted to her e. Which means: no bonus dmg for every 3rd hit on her passive, weaker until lvl 18 or inoptimal leveling route since your as for ability use is only reaching that optimal 50% if you scale up your e to rank 5. Hardly something you currently do until lvl 18. So it makes her more gimmicky, means she misses out on q damage or w shielding for the damage e will provide and who knows what her passive will be.

As for items, yeah I've always thought something like would be pretty amazing on her. I don't know the optimal route to get those items though - like if you start roa, you will be weak early game damage-wise; if you start the other items, you don't have the tankiness to make use of your aa and spell vamp if focused. But if you can reach something like those 4 items, you should be reasonably tanky and have a ton of dps. I guess you could also do deathcap or something in place of roa and rely on w shield for tankiness too maybe.

She can't lose her entire passive, they're moving the ATTACK SPEED portion to her passive and buffing it a lot, and it still starts at 20%. Currently 20% is ALL she gets from her passive, it doesn't scale. Now she'll be able to get up to 90%(Apparently they buffed her E passive EVEN MORE and she still keeps the current 20% on her passive, they didn't even move it, and it STARTS at 50% increase on E and goes to 90%). I always start RoA on her btw. You're already kinda weak until you hit 6 anyways so RoA is a fine item. I usually go item 3027 item 3115 item 3100 then pick items I feel like would be good from there. If I'm ahead I get a guinsoos because I don't need to be tanky aside from RoA.

Ganked By TiltJul 4, 20172 votes

They want her to be a diver and AA but her AA's are so much weaker than akalis, kass and other hybrid ap champions she only has her passive proc.

WinTheWarOnPantsJul 4, 20171 votes

I never really paid attention to base stats(cause they're boring), but it nice to finally know why i ALWAYS run out of mana in her lol also i totally agree we should gut Kassadin ;)

LushingtonJul 4, 20171 votes

I think simply switching her E and R around then adjusting the numbers accordingly would go along way in at least making her more fun to play

aqours fanboyJul 4, 20171 votes

AD buff pls so I can use Rageblade and Gunblade.

VoraciousXJul 4, 20171 votes

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AD buff pls so I can use Rageblade and Gunblade.

You already can, unless you have the AP for your passive to deal a lot though it's gonna be useless so rageblade would be like a 4th or higher item if you're ahead and don't need resistances. A few AD isn't gonna change anything. It might make Sheen items slightly stronger but that's pretty much it.

CalabokJul 4, 20171 votes

she more like needs a nerf than a buff.

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