Now that Youmuu's lost its attack speed and Duskblade is really only good on stealth champs, how are 
doing? They really relied on those armor pen builds before so I'm just wondering what you guys are building on them now and if you think they received a hard nerf or not.
ForgiveColour5 votesits funny because ghostblade is a pretty troll item to rush now but rylais gets touched and mage mains are screaming to buff all mage champs that ever built it because it was so overpowered LUL
i bet if anyone make a thread to buff those adc champ because of ghostblade nerf they would be downvoted by mage mains
Ahristocats1 votesyou shouldn't buff mage champs, you shouldn't make more 100 ap items
but rylai being worse than what it was before the buff isn't a good thing either
Critmaster Garen2 votesall of them scale very well with crit builds.
the only one on that list who actually relied on it was varus. and hes getting buffed to scaled better with attack speed.
Sightless663 votesSaying that all of them scale well with crit seems a little... generous. Varus and MF give no shits about crit whatsoever (hell, MF is still building armor pen even after it was nerfed so hard), and Lucian is now beaten out by Urgot for ADC winrates because crit is so bad on him. Hell, Jhin is probably balanced for the first time in a long time just because he's forced into crit now instead of building something that's actually good on him.
agbudar2 votesits ok their support bought 
so they get to live through an assasin burst if they play right.
Sightless663 votesOf course, you could also live through the assassin's burst as Jinx/Cait, then actually do damage afterwards because crit actually means something to you.
Oglaf1 votesADCs never really bothered with flat Armour Pen anyway because of 
.
Truly Prideful1 votesFine because I still built crit on Jhin even while the pen build was FotM. MF doesn't feel bad to build crit on, her attack speed steroid has a low enough cooldown that she can get away with not building a lot of attack speed so she can get more raw AD. I don't play much of the other 4 so I can't comment, always been a player of the crit heavy ADCs.
Sightless661 votesMost of these carries had a pretty significant hit to their strength as a result of the change to lethality. MF is the only one who still viably builds lethality items. She and Jhin are probably close to balanced, which is only because they were strong enough to take a hefty hit.
Varus and Lucian both suck massive dick right now because they're forced into crit. Draven is average-mediocre, but he was generally average-mediocre before, so that's nothing new. Graves didn't really build much armor penetration outside of maw as a jungler, so he's not really affected by the changes.
ZED G0D1 votes here.
The 
losing its attackspeed really is a bummer.. since on lucian I dont build a lot of attack speed..but atleast I still have the move speed to assist my ult.
My full lucian build is usually
> 
> 
> (SITUATIONAL ITEM, If im ahead 
, if im behind I build defensive to whoever is my biggest threat..
or 
) > 
... GA is usually my final item, if im ahead. If im behind I end up building Phantom last, or maw instead of phantom..but GA is almost always in my build.
M Dragon141 votesMeh, I'm indifferent. Varus + Graves didn't really do that well with it, at least not bottom lane. I feel Varus is much better off now since the likes of Lucian and Jhin are less powerful. As for Lucian, MF, and Jhin.... Lucian feels bad compared to Cait, Twitch, and Vayne. MF feels similar, but better off than Lucian imo. Jhin still feels viable, but much weaker than he was (which is good, he needed a nerf).
Idk about Draven. Haven't really played him much. He seemed okay, about in the same place as before. Could be wrong though.
reaperteaser1 votesas someone who only played jhin cait and occasionally ashe kalista for my adc pick, im kinda happy i dont see anymore ar pen MFs or lucs
