Yknow, if you changed reworked Aatrox's name to Tryndamere...

Z3Sleeper·Jun 23, 2018·42 votes·12,705 views

And replaced Trynd with it, I don't think anyone would mind.

38 Comments

Sorin AlucardJun 23, 201815 votes

trueeeee

La BelloJun 23, 201810 votes

but where is the spinning slash? or the chicken shout?

Also how did you come to tRyndamere as a conclusion and not Riven ?

aatrox'sQ and E is literally a more balanced and manageable version of Rivens Q and E because all the animation cancel 100-0 shy combo,quick combo BS taken out in addition to all the frustrating additional mobility from Broken Wings+E spam. I swear on my mum this literally WAS a Riven kit at first but then the bean counters at Riot wouldnt allow it because all the Riven mains would get up in arms about having their precious animation cancels taken away (its the only reason I play riven/I practiced this all day for 5 years and now all my work is meaningless " blah blah blah).

Im like 2000% sure that Aatrox's kit is a iceboxed Riven rework that Riot didnt have the balls to go through with (just like the EDGE passive mini rework) due to changing Riven/Yasuo being a good balance decision but bad business decision in the end.

Ok sure but whyJun 23, 201825 votes

I think the joke is that we don't like Tryndamere

Ariel the CruelJun 24, 20181 votes

And we Like Riven? (>_>)

Ok sure but whyJun 24, 20183 votes

More than Trynd at least

It Hertz When IPJun 24, 20181 votes

I thought the joke(?) was that reworked Aatrox plays more like how Tryndamere should play than Tryndamere does.

La BelloJun 24, 20181 votes

oh well I mean I dont like half the champ designs from season1 either lol. Im pretty sure that was a consensus of sorts hence why Meddler had to kick the VGU teams into overdrive and go from 3 to 5 IIRC

Automated RivenJun 23, 20184 votes

I highly doubt that was a riven rework. Also, that is not more balancable at all. They are gonna have to break his numbers in order for him to be useful considering how easy it is to dodge that shit.

Z3SleeperJun 23, 20184 votes

I've actually played a bunch on PBE. His jungling is absolute bottom tier, Karthus is a better jungler. Hell, Malz is probably better.

His top laning is slightly better, but he's about mid-tier, which in this game being below top and high tiers means you are useless.

However, I've played 2 support Aatrox games so far and have done extremely well. When I first looked at his kit and the numbers, he really seemed like a support to me.

Great base damage, total AD scaling
Passive is unusable in a solo lane where you are autoing creeps but usable as support where you won't be autoing in between 30s relic procs
Q is a 3 time knockup on a long cooldown (which is easier to land when they are focusing your "ADC" rather than you)
W is CC used to drag a target back
E's cd is way too long to be useful in every trade top
Ult is one of the best aggro soakers in the game, letting you go ham with increased AD and forcing people to focus you first. Also allows you to 2v2 tower dive with extreme ease

Still though, definitely a high-tier - mid-tier support. Not top tier by any means.

######PBE games consist of very imbalanced skill groups in each game. Most games no matter where I played him ended in victory. I just mean as a support I felt way more impactful.

Ariel the CruelJun 24, 20182 votes

So..... Aatrox is finally the support everyone thought he would be back during the original teasers!?

Troll for TrumpJun 24, 20183 votes

Old Aatrox was statchecking that was either crap or oppressive.

You can balance champs with easy to dodge abilities. Basically just a juggernaut

Automated RivenJun 24, 20182 votes

Darius q is a very small amount of his damage. His bonus 200 from passive and true damage resetting ult are also very impactful. Dodging Darius q is good in lane. But if your gonna argue that darius depends on his edge q to even a remotely same amount as aatrox will is flat out stupid.

(Also Darius can move during his q and aatrox cannot.)

ModAcademy KaynJun 24, 20182 votes

But Aatrox can tho, his Dash.

Automated RivenJun 24, 20184 votes

while tecnically true, his dash has a cooldown seperate from the actual charge rate. and he cannot actually move if its on cooldown. Which is a huge disadvantage in toplane.

Troll for TrumpJun 24, 20181 votes

Landing his Q is crucial for the bleed stack and the heals. The ability to land it will literally win or lose trades. And it does a lot of dmg lol.

Darius 100% depends on his Q as much as aatrox.

Aatrox can "move" during his Q with E.

Automated RivenJun 24, 20181 votes

Yes, it is impactful in lane and later for bleed stacks. However it is literally the entirety of aatroxs new kit based on people's experience on pbe. You miss q and do zero damage. To the extent they created a skill to facilitate landing it. It would be far better design to simply allow him to move and give him a better e.

Troll for TrumpJun 25, 20181 votes

Have you played him?

Automated RivenJun 25, 20181 votes

No. But I have looked at his numbers on pbe as well as watched gameplay of him. Pretty much his entire damage revolves around landing 3 q casts on the edge.

His only other damaging ability is w and it does like 70 damage plus 40% ad.

His passive is nice but his q causes him to be outside of auto attack range except for his passive which is only once in the fight. And your highly incentives to only use e to readjust your position during your q and get a bit extra damage.

Look at it for yourself.

http://www.surrenderat20.net/p/current-pbe-balance-changes.html?m=1#aatrox2

Troll for TrumpJun 26, 20181 votes

Ik but PBE is a horrible indicator of a champ's state when they hit live.

People need time to adjust to large-scale reworks and become mains of the new champ before judgment can really be accurately passed.

Skarner had a similar reception, but people eventually adapted. I felt the same with Darius.

Automated RivenJun 26, 20181 votes

You not listening to what I am saying. Or at least your replies seem like your ignoring everything I am saying and inserting your own opinion of what I am saying into my posts.

Troll for TrumpJun 26, 20181 votes

I'm saying looking at the PBE doesn't mean anything. PBE experience generally doesn't mean much.

Automated RivenJun 26, 20181 votes

Ok that's fine. He still only has one ability which deals damage and his passive. While also being incentived to stay out of melee range for his outer range.

All that being said. My point (which you haven't adressed) is simply that he should be able to fucking move during the q cast. And be given a useful non gimmicky e ability.

Troll for TrumpJun 26, 20181 votes

Stating that he has those abilities doesn't mean anything because you're just analyzing it on paper.

NemeBroJun 24, 20182 votes

{quoted}

but where is the spinning slash? or the chicken shout?

Also how did you come to tRyndamere as a conclusion and not ?

aatrox'sQ and E is literally a more balanced and manageable version of Rivens Q and E because all the animation cancel 100-0 shy combo,quick combo BS taken out in addition to all the frustrating additional mobility from Broken Wings+E spam. I swear on my mum this literally WAS a Riven kit at first but then the bean counters at Riot wouldnt allow it because all the Riven mains would get up in arms about having their precious animation cancels taken away (its the only reason I play riven/I practiced this all day for 5 years and now all my work is meaningless " blah blah blah).

Im like 2000% sure that Aatrox's kit is a iceboxed Riven rework that Riot didnt have the balls to go through with (just like the EDGE passive mini rework) due to changing Riven/Yasuo being a good balance decision but bad business decision in the end.

Yeah all the braindead Riven haters would probably be happy if she was hot garbage and did no damage, I agree.

KhristophorosJun 23, 201810 votes

I'd mind. Trynd is really fun to play.

KmSneakyJun 23, 201815 votes

When you like to ruin other people's fun, yeah, I bet ^^

Ariel the CruelJun 24, 20183 votes

Trynd doesn't "ruin" people's fun. He prevents them from having any in the first place! ;p

######(Disclaimer: This is a joke.)

CasterGilgameshJun 24, 20181 votes

it may be joke but it feels too real [zombie-nunu-bummed]

Ariel the CruelJun 25, 20181 votes

[slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

Its All SkillzzJun 24, 20186 votes

Tryn is the tankiest champion in the game, no1 can survive 5 full seconds in this meta lol.

ZeromatsuJun 24, 20181 votes

Lissandra item 3157

Ok sure but whyJun 24, 20183 votes

Tryndamere item 3157 item 3026 item 2420

Insanity SongJun 24, 20182 votes

Internal Screaming

3TWarriorJun 24, 20185 votes

i'd mind, new aatrox looks awful

Ariel the CruelJun 24, 20182 votes

People who like RNG and appreciate building glass cannon while still living longer than a tank will surely mind. Along with those that only know how to split-push and do nothing else in this game. (>_>)

BEK MakadurJun 24, 20181 votes

Is this Ariel the unranked pro aram player?

Ariel the CruelJun 25, 20181 votes

The Former SR support main, actually. And I still claim 3v3 as my primary map. ;p ######(Though LoL is, in general, gradually becoming one of my least played games.)