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Am I the only one who thinks Xayah is poorly designed?

YoungFarmer·Jan 21, 2018·13 votes·2,240 views

W. ACTIVE: Xayah creates a storm of blades for 4 seconds that grant her attack speed and cause her basic attacks to strike an additional time for 20% damage.

BONUS ATTACK SPEED: 30 / 35 / 40 / 45 / 50% If Deadly Plumage strikes an enemy champion, Xayah gains 30% movement speed for 1.5 seconds.

Her W just seems op too me, she can build so much more straight damage than a regular ADC because she has an incredible attack speed steroid. The movement speed steroid makes it easy to kite people, and then for somereason she gets 20% bonus damage.

Her E allows her to easily kite and escape and does metric fuck tons of damage. Like don't even try to kill her if you're a melee because she will just CC you to death.

Her ultimate is fucking stupid. 1.5 second untargetable that basically gives her a free E snare. She just holds on to it until someone tries to kill her and then she runs away and Es them back for a free escape.

I don't know I find her pretty overwhelming for an adc.

27 Comments

RewtJan 21, 20186 votes

you are definitely not the only one.

YoungFarmerJan 21, 20186 votes

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you are definitely not the only one.

I just looked at her winrate in diamond+ and its 57% with 13% pickrate. Jeezus.

SalronJan 21, 20186 votes

I think her design is pretty good but she just has overtuned numbers

Mostly just W and E

YoungFarmerJan 21, 20183 votes

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I think her design is pretty good but she just has overtuned numbers

Mostly just W and E

I personally don't believe her W needs the 20% bonus damage but thats just me.

Galactic DongJan 21, 20185 votes

Are you saying that a 20% bonus damage, 50% attackspeed, and twitch ultimate ranged champ that can snare an entire team at once and become untargetable is op?

Dude, you're crazy....

I mained her for gold from silver 4 within 2 days last season. Yeah she's dumb af.

BârdJan 22, 20181 votes

The thing about Twitch ult that makes it so good is that massive boost to his AD and attack range.

Xayah's passive doesn't give those two crucial bits, and she's not nearly as good with Hurricane as Twitch is, so it's not nearly as strong.

It's some waveclear and a way to proc her E. It's good, but not some godlike passive.

Galactic DongJan 22, 20181 votes

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The thing about Twitch ult that makes it so good is that massive boost to his AD and attack range.

Xayah's passive doesn't give those two crucial bits, and she's not nearly as good with Hurricane as Twitch is, so it's not nearly as strong.

It's some waveclear and a way to proc her E. It's good, but not some godlike passive.

Actually, her passive gives her increased range to the tune of twitch ult, and two feathers per ability. Her ad and attack speed boost from w is bigger than anything on twitch ult as well.

BârdJan 23, 20181 votes

No, it doesn't.

She gains a strike-through that can reach further than her attack range, but her actual range (from which she can hit the primary target) is completely unchanged.

Galactic DongJan 23, 20181 votes

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No, it doesn't.

She gains a strike-through that can reach further than her attack range, but her actual range (from which she can hit the primary target) is completely unchanged.

Now that you put it that way, she's definitely not strong.

Sexy Jack RabbitJan 21, 20183 votes

She's overtuned but her kit is fine. She's hardly overloaded in comparison to other champions.

Milton FletcherJan 22, 20183 votes

I just don’t like her ultimate as a fighter.

In a meta where it’s already so hard to get near adcs as a melee fighter not rushing full tank, it doesn’t help that she has that bitch ass ultimate and then in case I get near her when she lands, can flash and still get me stunned from using her e button. Makes no sense

But, she’s an adc and riot says they have to be the strongest at all times.

Can’t argue with papa riot

AirKingNeoJan 21, 20182 votes

I don't think having high numbers is correlated with poor design.

Jinx HunterJan 22, 20182 votes

she is more balanced this then this POS Vayne

At least with Xayah, after she blows her ulty, I can fucking stick to and blow her ass up and not get knocked into a damn wall and be CCed for what feels like 2s from an invisible vayne that ultied and tumbled who then proceeds to 3 shot my ass no matter what I have build to avoid going pop like the weasel

BlåbæretJan 22, 20182 votes

I've been saying this for ages, but only gotten downvoted by ADC mains. An ADC with untargetability, AoE CC AND ridiculous damage makes no sense. It's more broken than this Tristana piece of shit champion.

Plastic 5 ADCJan 22, 20182 votes

Tristana BONUS ATTACK SPEED: 30 / 50 / 70 / 90 / 110% on a 550-669 range?

Xayah is strong, but no further.

YoungFarmerJan 22, 20183 votes

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BONUS ATTACK SPEED: 30 / 50 / 70 / 90 / 110% on a 550-669 range?

Xayah is strong, but no further.

isn't tristana considered broken unless she is in a garbage state though??

Attticus FinchJan 22, 20181 votes

"I'm going to compare one single ability that has literally only one effect (AS steroid) to one single ability that has an attack speed steroid built into it AND a damage steroid AND a movement speed steroid.

These two abilities are the same despite one having literally three times as many active effects as the other."

Dorans PantsJan 22, 20182 votes

her ult deserves to burn in hell! [sg-shisa]

SkiasJan 22, 20182 votes

She's a bit lazy, yeah. She's mostly just steroids. There's not a lot of game play to her. She doesn't really have a style.

HaIlMonitorJan 22, 20181 votes

Her ultimate is fucking stupid. 1.5 second untargetable that basically gives her a free E snare. She just holds on to it until someone tries to kill her and then she runs away and Es them back for a free escape.

Yes anyone that has a built in item 3157 is busted...

FurriesAreHotJan 22, 20181 votes

I think her design is fine, but the numbers should be looked at. holy shit guys an ADC main said an adc needs a nerf

YoungFarmerJan 22, 20183 votes

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I think her design is fine, but the numbers should be looked at. holy shit guys an ADC main said an adc needs a nerf

you definitely are not real

FurriesAreHotJan 22, 20181 votes

According The the fourth law of thermodynamics, I can’t be. It dictates “ALL ADC mains are toxic beings who always whine about how underpowered ADCs are*

It Hertz When IPJan 22, 20181 votes

I thought that was just Vayne mains.

BârdJan 22, 20181 votes

Her W is strong, no doubt. That said, she's a hypercarry and it's her main source of sustained damage.
Her E is very good, but is countered by approaching Xayah at an angle so as not to have too many feathers directly behind you.
Her ult is like Fizz's troll pole, but it's on a long CD and can't cross walls. The main difference is the champion it's on. Xayah is hyper-carry, while Fizz is an assassin.

For the most part, I think Xayah is fine.

There is, however, one thing that needs toning down.

Her W's AD ratio should scale up with rank, rather than being full at rank 1.

She's a hypercarry, yet her W lets her be a complete lane bully with certain supports (Rakan especiallly).

Z3SleeperJan 22, 20181 votes

I find her underwhelming by current meta standards. Her damage output is nowhere near things like Vayne/Trist/Kog/Twitch.

She seems overpowered, but everyone else is broken so it doesn't matter.

Meep ManJan 23, 20181 votes

That attack speed steroid is actually pretty weak when you compare it to other ADCs, such as:

Tristana Q- 30/50/70/90/110%

KogMaw Q Passive- 15/20/25/30/35% all the time

MissFortune W- 40/55/70/85/100%

Jinx Q- 30/40/50/60/70%-100/110/120/130/140% after 3 attacks based on level

Sivir R- 30/45/60% while W is active

Varus Passive- 40% (+50% bonus attack speed) bonus attack speed on champion takedown, 20% (+25% bonus attack speed) bonus attack speed on any other kill

It's pretty tame in comparison. In truth, I find her pretty underwhelming in comparison to many other ADCs. However, that's just my opinion.

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