Inb4 Fizz "Chum the Waters" actually boosts its own damage and Riot is completely incompetent

Fed by Snu Snu·Feb 5, 2015·2 votes·680 views

Just had a Fizz with a LB/Cap/Zhonya's/Blasting do 1004 damage with Chum the waters, on 82 MR, with no void staff, not even pen boots.

Seeing how his ultimate does 450+1:1, I don't see any realistic scenario where it reaches 1000 dmg on 44% mitigation from MR. (36-38% give or take after the little pen from runes and masteries)

I still think he is weak(and we did indeed win), but seriously Rito, if you design something, at least make sure it gets in game and prove me for once you can actually program.

16 Comments

killd0zerFeb 5, 20154 votes

Death recap is notorious for being 100% full of shit

Fed by Snu SnuFeb 5, 20151 votes

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Death recap is notorious for being 100% full of shit

Mostly when it's multiple people or abilities that synergize with other damage sources are damaging you. Not on a solo 2 second kill that only 4 abilities took part..

GaleWinUnleashedFeb 5, 20151 votes

I like how Death Recap believes I really need to know that I took 6 damage from a melee minion. In a teamfight.

Fed by Snu SnuFeb 5, 20153 votes

Got to know which is the priority target next time.

GaleWinUnleashedFeb 5, 20151 votes

Coarse phrasing, but very accurate.

Fed by Snu SnuFeb 5, 20151 votes

unintentionally had naming.

GaleWinUnleashedFeb 5, 20151 votes

That E damage looks too high. Wouldn't be too far-fetched to assume that it tacked the damage done by Q and W onto the numbers for E and R. This is Death Recap we're talking about.

Fed by Snu SnuFeb 5, 20151 votes

That also seems plausible.

But we are also talking about a game where Rumble was doing less damage when in purple side and/or using his default skin. I don't even know what to think on this game anymore.

SlytherinUmbreonFeb 5, 20151 votes

(120 + 120 + 40 + 80) x 1.3 x1.05 = 491 491 + 450 = 941.5 I dunno, I kinda think the AP from masteries and Runes might be able to make up for that gap, especially considering it comes before the multipliers. (the * 1.05 is from masteries.) At least, acording to my calculations Heimerdinger You should have gotten a pic of his actual AP, would have made this easier to verify...

EDIT: my multiplication became italics :c

Fed by Snu SnuFeb 5, 20151 votes

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(120 + 120 + 40 + 80) * 1.3 *1.05 = 491 491 + 450 = 941.5 I dunno, I kinda think the AP from masteries and Runes might be able to make up for that gap, especially considering it comes before the multipliers. (the * 1.05 is from masteries.) At least, acording to my calculations You should have gotten a pic of his actual AP, would have made this easier to verify...

But close to zero penetration on 80 MR. It's not true damage. Not even pen boots, he had CDR boots.

If it was, it would have made sense with masteries indeed. Which isn't that much, around 8% more damage if he had everything. (and he wouldn't have full stacks of b/s weaving since it was a brush ambush.)

GaleWinUnleashedFeb 5, 20152 votes

Using x for multiplication just doesn't feel right :( I think that formatting code should be changed so italics doesn't apply if there is a space on both sides of the *.

SlytherinUmbreonFeb 5, 20151 votes

Ikr? I was more bothered by that then I was by realizing I forgot MR reduction :x

DarkwindFeb 5, 20151 votes

this is really easy to test... just go into a custom game, play fizz, hit lvl 6, note your ap, masteries, ect, and note your opponent's mr, and shark them. dont do anything else. then see how much dmg it does.

Mama SorakaFeb 5, 20152 votes

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this is really easy to test... just go into a custom game, play fizz, hit lvl 6, note your ap, masteries, ect, and note your opponent's mr, and shark them. dont do anything else. then see how much dmg it does.

I decided to test this out in a custom real quick.

I have 90 ap and my pen is 8 | 6%

Chum the waters did ~290 damage to a target Ezreal bot with 30mr

DarkwindFeb 5, 20153 votes

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I decided to test this out in a custom real quick.

I have 90 ap and my pen is 8 | 6%

Chum the waters did ~290 damage to a target Ezreal bot with 30mr

effecive mr= 20.2

damage should be: 200(base)+90(scaling) * (100/120.2)=241

if amp applies to itself, damage would be 290 x 1.2 x (100/120.2)=289

so, assuming your numbers were accurate, it appears that riot is bad and it does amp its own dmg.

Mama SorakaFeb 5, 20151 votes

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effecive mr= 20.2

damage should be: 200(base)+90(scaling) * (100/120.2)=241

if amp applies to itself, damage would be 290 x 1.2 x (100/120.2)=289

so, assuming your numbers were accurate, it appears that riot is bad and it does amp its own dmg.

Heimerdinger SCIENCE!