I was all for buffing Fiora a bit Riot

Kloqdq·Sep 6, 2017·6 votes·575 views

> Duelist's Dance (Passive) movement speed increased from 15/25/35/45% to 20/30/40/50%

But really? This plus her ult basically getting a revert is just a net gain for her after this is all said and done from her previous nerf. If you want to boost her movespeed then hit her damage somewhat to make it a fair trade with a smaller net buff.

Edit - The old movement speed was "Bonus movement speed reduced to 15% / 20% / 25% / 30% from 20% / 30% / 40% / 50%."

So it's not a true net buff but basically a full revert from her nerfs. The last real nerf Fiora got from 7.14 was 6.14 so fun fact about that. Took them almost a year to nerf her and now she got a revert to that nerf.

15 Comments

uDqNQ8EBVBjNC9UkSep 6, 20171 votes

item 3076 being released was quite a huge nerf for her since she tends to build a lot of Lifesteal.

Then again, I'm not sure I agree with buffing her Passive MS on top of reverting her ult nerf.

KloqdqSep 7, 20171 votes

That's my point. I was fine with just buffing her a little bit but basically a full revert? Fuck that noise.

Weiner the PoohSep 6, 20171 votes

Remember right said the way they nerfed her was wrong. That they should have done a small damage reduction. Instead what they did was gut the way the champion works. Simply making the champion more frustrating to play. They will likely nerf her somewhere else.

KloqdqSep 7, 20171 votes

I hope they do. Seeing just a buff and no nerf to anything just annoys the ever living hell out of me.

VekknaSep 7, 20171 votes

Y'know, some movespeed-reliant champs have to actually build movespeed. Apparently Fifi is a precious exception to that for some reason. Like, all these champs are very reliant on positioning or movespeed, and their kit MS buffs aren't anywhere near as strong as Fiora's, nor do they have short cooldown dashes:

AurelionSol Chogath Hecarim Mordekaiser Poppy Singed Taric Darius

Reverting FIora's nerf utterly disgusts me because it shows a kid-gloves level of care for Fiora that other champs do not receive. If you need movespeed or kite on another champ, you can build Stormraider's, Swifties, Triforce, Luden's, MS Quints, Frozen Mallet, Rylai's, IBG, Ghost, DMP, or Righteous Glory.

If you're Fiora, you just get a precious-baby revert so you can keep stacking broken items and Fervor. God forbid that you can't just bum rush with R, chase flashes with Q, and delete someone with a few vitals and a free crit.

sobi999Sep 6, 20171 votes

Its not a full revert people. She will now only get MS boost on her ult when she procs an ULT VITAL and not by just pressing R. That's clearly a nerf and the introduction of item 3076 . She does build a sht tons of lifesteal though. Although the ult vital proc gives her 2x passive MS, which might be a little too much.

AhristocatsSep 6, 20171 votes

where were you yesterday? http://www.surrenderat20.net/2017/09/95-pbe-update.html

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-ZrndcgiPaok/Wa7vf1tFbhI/AAAAAAAAtjE/lwjGMcAPQjQ1i3EclVDOGwgHyhOysi-7gCLcBGAs/s640/fiorar.jpg

QuešSep 7, 20171 votes

Problem with Fiora is that actually she hurts bruisers more then tanks.Tanks can try to survive and use their CC/utility etc for teamfights and ur ADC in adc meta.But bruisers tend to lose/go even with her and play without hope,because this champ is unbeatable in a side lane and you,as bruiser, cant teamfight anymore because of all ADC,Shields,CC,Tanks cancer.

Its just sad.At least when Fiora wasnt that oppressive we got to see other bruisers to fight in a side lane etc( Jax Jayce JarvanIV Irelia Camille Kled Trundle ).And now I think we just back at Fiora being the best bruiser again. Why?

KloqdqSep 7, 20171 votes

Again, no idea why there isn't a nerf to anything else if they want to keep her movement speed. It's just going back to what was a problem and not providing a solution.

HåppySep 7, 20171 votes

But this isn't a net gain. Her passive movespeed was slashed too, in the nerf. This is a total revert.

KloqdqSep 7, 20171 votes

I forgot about that. What was the passive movespeed changed from again?

HåppySep 7, 20171 votes

I think it was dropped to like.. 30% or something?

KloqdqSep 7, 20171 votes

Mhm I'll have to check on the wiki. It should have it.

Edit - Bonus movement speed reduced to 15% / 20% / 25% / 30% from 20% / 30% / 40% / 50%. So basically almost a complete revert.

HåppySep 7, 20171 votes

But yeah, she's not coming out of this stronger than she was, she's coming out of this as strong as she used to be. Riot broke her ankles then put out two things that also hurt her - Bramble vest and Urgot rework. Urgot's shotgun knees smash Fiora since she has to run around him for the vitals, and Bramble vest hurts her incredibly since she has not a single way to hurt you save for autoattacks and it also applies grievous wounds, so her healing's down.

KloqdqSep 7, 20171 votes

Bramble Vest is quite good but that would just require Fiora to not build as much lifesteal really.

Urgot is kind of bad to be honest so the chances of seeing him aren't great.

I do think having a champion being kept in line due to an item is pretty much a failure of a champion to be honest. Either Fiora needs to function without the enemy having Bramble Vest or she needs larger scale work. Basically full reverting her nerfs isn't what I'd call good and they should 100% hit something else if she wants to grab this buff. Fiora doesn't need to heal if she is going to be running up and smashing those vitals again.