Is Riot ignoring all feedback that isn't about adc's on pbe?

Commando Yi·Nov 3, 2015·3 votes·511 views

I can't find a single Rioter addressing the brutal itemization nerfs to mages, tanks, ap assassins, and bruisers in the next patch

23 Comments

RebonackNov 3, 20152 votes

Mages are getting nerfed!

Mages get their CDR cap raised to 45% and a free Luden's Echo passive.

Neeeeeeeerfed!

KONO RUBICK DANov 3, 20151 votes

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Mages are getting nerfed!

Neeeeeeeerfed!

which mage has 40% cdr? veigar maybe? all i can remember

disregardableNov 3, 20151 votes

all of them that get item 3165 item 3115 item 3174 and blue buff.

disregardableNov 3, 20151 votes

I don't remember what's changed. But just be aware that they're increasing the gold you get, so increasing the price alone isn't necessarily a nerf.

Commando YiNov 3, 20151 votes

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I don't remember what's changed. But just be aware that they're increasing the gold you get, so increasing the price alone isn't necessarily a nerf.

i'm talking about deaths dance with physical damage healing and 12% damage mitigation by turning incoming damage into a dot that can be covered through the heals

phantom dancer with 12% damage reduction against whoever you're fighting

maw now has attack speed and life steal

scimitar now has life steal

the only non adc champs that might be viable next season will probably be ad assassins

disregardableNov 3, 20151 votes

those are adc item buffs, not nerfs to items for other other classes though.

Commando YiNov 3, 20151 votes

[{quoted}](name=Very Toxic Jinx,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Mp4flwzE,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2015-11-03T15:21:07.572+0000)

those are adc item buffs, not nerfs to items for other other classes though.

indeed they are adc item buffs - that substantially improves survivability against other classes

on their own they might be a welcome experiment but it's coming as part of a patch where we're also seeing nerfs to mage and tank itemization which is going to make things horribly one sided

disregardableNov 3, 20151 votes

but what nerfs are you talking about? a 100 gold price increase isn't necessarily a nerf, as I said.

Commando YiNov 3, 20151 votes

[{quoted}](name=Very Toxic Jinx,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Mp4flwzE,comment-id=00000000000000000000,timestamp=2015-11-03T15:36:16.010+0000)

but what nerfs are you talking about? a 100 gold price increase isn't necessarily a nerf, as I said.

well for starters, zhonya's hourglass now costs 500 more gold

disregardableNov 3, 20151 votes

that's a single item, that only effects a small number of champions, that actually has gotten attention and changes with the latest pbe update.

Price increased to 3500g from 3200g AP increased to 100 from 80

from its original

Cost increased to 3200 from 3000 AP reduced to 80 from 100 Armor reduced to 45 from 50

Commando YiNov 3, 20151 votes

[{quoted}](name=Very Toxic Jinx,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Mp4flwzE,comment-id=0000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2015-11-03T16:04:42.172+0000)

that's a single item, that only effects a small number of champions, that actually has gotten attention and changes with the latest pbe update. AP increased to 100 from 80

from its original AP reduced to 80 from 100 Armor reduced to 45 from 50

that's all in the context of the pbe, it's still a massive nerf from the live version at 3000 gold for 100ap and 50 armor

ap carries are not a small class of champions

disregardableNov 3, 20151 votes

But they're clearly noting the feedback here and adjusting to it.

So the only thing that you're actually complaining about in this thread is that they nerfed Zhonyas and buffed ADC items. and you didn't mention either of them in the op.

Commando YiNov 3, 20151 votes

[{quoted}](name=Very Toxic Jinx,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Mp4flwzE,comment-id=000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2015-11-03T16:12:58.382+0000)

But they're clearly noting the feedback here and adjusting to it.

So the only thing that you're actually complaining about in this thread is that they nerfed Zhonyas and buffed ADC items. and you didn't mention either of them in the op.

i sense a very strong marksmen bias

disregardableNov 3, 20151 votes

just walking you through why it's a shit post.

Commando YiNov 3, 20151 votes

[{quoted}](name=Very Toxic Jinx,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Mp4flwzE,comment-id=00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2015-11-03T16:33:52.955+0000)

just walking you through why it's a shit post.

the game knowledge of adc mains never fails to surprise me :/

no doubt many of you will be whining about the upcoming patch being a nerf to adcs singling out items like infinity edge

ZioviNov 3, 20151 votes

while overall they are buffing adcs while nerfing other classes, they are not completely ignoring feedback, in fact they reduced the nerf to hourglass a bit. That's what very toxic jinx was pointing out. Talking about the nerfs themselves is another matter, and the title of the thread wasn't about this.

ZioviNov 3, 20151 votes

Commando YiNov 3, 20151 votes

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while overall they are buffing adcs while nerfing other classes, they are not completely ignoring feedback, in fact they reduced the nerf to hourglass a bit. That's what very toxic jinx was pointing out. Talking about the nerfs themselves is another matter, and the title of the thread wasn't about this.

i do see the changes on pbe as i frequently check out surrender20 website

i just don't see the conversations about non adc stuff (link me if i've missed something pls)

my biggest gripes right now are botrk nerf, zephyr deleted, randuins nerf, thornmail nerf (it was already a horrible item), and why pd grants an urgot passive and why they're combining mr itemization buffs with ap itemization nerfs

Vistha KaiNov 3, 20151 votes

The gold income increase will barely make up for one item price increase after 30 minutes of the game.

And nearly all mage items got +200 to their price.

OverpoweredSoapNov 3, 20151 votes

I get that this is pre-season and all, but I think they're changing way too much at once, so they can't really handle everything.

If you're going to massively rework a good amount of the ADCS, I would probably do that after having tested the item changes after they hit live and have been on there for at least a patch or two.

So yeah, probably. Their main focus right now is the probably the adc reworks and then shifting and changes items/other champions who will need help after it.

Commando YiNov 3, 20151 votes

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I get that this is pre-season and all, but I think they're changing way too much at once, so they can't really handle everything.

If you're going to massively rework a good amount of the ADCS, I would probably do that after having tested the item changes after they hit live and have been on there for at least a patch or two.

So yeah, probably. Their main focus right now is the probably the adc reworks and then shifting and changes items/other champions who will need help after it.

pretty much

adc rework massive adc item buffs ap/tank/bruiser item nerfs

too much in one patch

NemeBroNov 3, 20151 votes

ADCs being massively buffed is an indirect nerf to other classes, particularly other carry classes (APCs, assassins, juggernauts, etc, about the only things that might also benefit are melee carries like Yas or Tryndamere).

ADCs shouldn't be self-sufficient. They should be little nancy bitches without their mommy/support holding their hand, at least until Riot makes it so that they aren't also the sole essential class in the game.