Why does everyone hate thresh?

Yosuke Apperu··3 votes·750 views

I feel like he's one of the most unique champions league has to offer. Also blitzcrank's grab is a lot worse XD. Thresh also is a bit squishy compared to other bot lane tanky supports. Instead of talking about what's wrong with thresh.. why not talk about what's right? Why not make him the example for other tanky supports to follow? Also can we please rename his ult to something good like "The Threshold" Thanks =]

27 Comments

Malcha3 votes

His kit is overloaded. He's not necessarily OP( debatable). But his kit makes him capable of too much without trade-offs or weaknesses.

Blitz for example, doesn't output much damage early. So, while his pull can be devastating, if you can capitalize on it, he fails to function as a support pre-6. He also has little innate tankiness early game outside of itemizing for a larger mana pool, which can actually be difficult as a support.

Thresh honestly doesn't have a lot of weaknesses out of the same ones EVERYONE else has. Leona Janna

Essentially very strong engage or very strong disengage.

Yosuke Apperu2 votes

Blitz has very strong damage early game though XD his pull and knock up equal up to about 200 which is devastating early on. And if he builds some damage it's even worse.

Radnar the bold2 votes

People get annoyed when they face him and get pulled in. His hook is worse for it moves in slowly and then he can E to pull you in closer. I used to main him and thought/think that he is tons of fun

Yosuke Apperu2 votes

Pulling himself in can put himself into danger, same with nautilus hook. I also enjoy playing thresh very much, but I hear people wanting him nerfed which I think is dumb o.o

Radnar the bold2 votes

No just this one kid making post after post because he was butt hurt he got shreded by a skiled thresh. He just keeps posting the same shit with not facts, he is the fox news of the boards.

Yosuke Apperu2 votes

Ah gotcha lol You can see him wind up to throw his damn hook xD I don't get the problem :P

StealthWarden2 votes

Thresh also is a bit squishy compared to other bot lane tanky supports.

say what?

He gets uncapped bonus armor from the souls he collects....i dont think you know what a thresh is

Yosuke Apperu3 votes

Base stats-wise my friend. I'm well aware of his passive xD

StealthWarden1 votes

but, but.... (-_-) Sigh...........

Marthian1 votes

That said, there's very little reason not to build him straight defense. He already gets enough threatening damage off his kit as is

UdoIkOSc4u1 votes

why everyone who complains about biltz is a noob? the question of the life

Doctor Jarvis6 votes

How did I know I'd find you here? And how did I also know your response would be unintelligible?

Ionian1 votes

Yeah, everyone hates him. That's why he is THE most picked champion in the game.

Sniper 01 votes

I've never seen one person complain about thresh. o.o

SaltyKracka1 votes

30% pickrate.

'Nuff said.

UdoIkOSc4u1 votes

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30% pickrate.

'Nuff said.

40% ...

SaltyKracka1 votes

I was taking his non-plat games into account too.

Only Play Darius1 votes

Because his pick rate is 40%. They don't necessarily hate him, just tired of seeing the same support every single game.

If I had a dollar for every Thresh mirror pick I have had in team builder.....

50000000000000001 votes

You'd have all the Teemo skins?

Only Play Darius1 votes

All the Ashe skins too.

Enosetc1 votes

because that q hitbox is still the most bullshit thing in the game for a skillshot that's so strong

http://puu.sh/i7xe1/d9855a4e8f.jpg http://puu.sh/i7xeE/0d9d1bf487.jpg

Yosuke Apperu2 votes

Looks like a blitz pull XD

HexaDecimel1 votes

In my opinion thresh is a fairly balanced champion. He doesn't deal out a lot of damage, and doesn't get as tanky as some other supports. He is actually pretty predictable based on where he is positioned, his hook is not insanely fast, and half his kit required that the hook land in order to initiate unless he is retreating. The lantern is a strong ability but at the same time i have seen a ton of miss throws or players straight up ignoring it as they attempt to escape. Overall he is a fun champion to play, but at the same time also feels very reasonable to play against in average competition. Personally i would much rather lane against a Thresh, then have to go up against a Blitzcrank or Annie.

Marthian1 votes

Insane mobility for a support and pays nothing for it: He has way above average damage compared to other supports, and can be very tanky and hard to peel off.

Vekkna1 votes

I personally loathe a good Thresh. The only reason I don't mind seeing him all that often is because there's a decent chance the enemy Thresh got stuck with support and picked Thresh because he's the "best."

My biggest bitch with Thresh is that he can single-handedly relocate you from your turret to the river in a 3-second cc chain (hook > flay) while his adc blows you up. At level 6, you end up in the Box slow.

The hook range plus the flay knockback plus the damage and cc duration are just way too strong for how short the CDs are. It's way too much reward for landing a single skillshot with an enormous range and large hitbox. By comparison, if Morgana lands her Q on you under your turret, her adc has to extend further, deal with your support, and potentially take a turret shot or two to secure a kill.

Thresh relocating you such a long distance means Thresh's adc can stay at a lane position relatively safe from ganks while separating you from your support and removing turret from the equation altogether.

I think Thresh's hook would be far more fair (given his overall kit, which is bloated as fuck) if it required him to actually drag you backward by running the other direction, similar to Skarner. This would accomplish a few things at once:

  1. Cut down on bloat by forcing him to prioritize movement speed to maximize hook effectively

  2. Let Thresh make picks more safely late game in exchange for no combo into flay

  3. Make him less "master of all trades" in lane by leaving the hook distance between him and his target when the chain breaks, leaving a few seconds before he can get back in to attack the target.

Having a full, strong kit is perfectly fine so long as there are meaningful tradeoffs involved. Right now Thresh doesn't have to make any choices between damage, cc, and relocating the enemy. If he hits a hook, he gets all of those things at once. If he misses, he tries again in a few seconds. He doesn't have to build AP to get AP. He doesn't have to build armor to get armor. He doesn't have to build MS to avoid getting caught out. He doesn't have to extend to go for a kill.

As a general rule, other supports don't enjoy the luxury of getting free damage stats and free defensive stats outside of cooldowns (Leona) or at the cost of heavy early game handicap (Bard). Overall, I think he gets too much at too little cost. The support game is about who can do the most with the least gold, so it makes sense that a champ who gets free AP, free armor, and free movement is going to be an obvious contender over champs who have to spend a few thousand gold for all of that.

Yosuke Apperu1 votes

I'd much rather fight a thresh over blitzcrank and morgana, you can potentially flash if you get grabbed by thresh but blitz doesnt work that way. Also morgana does wayyy too much damage for a support lol and her q Is way more bs than thresh hook Imo.

Valderis Vandala1 votes

Because they suck at dodging?

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