I need to find a main

RebornnFX··1 votes·815 views

Okay, Im in bronze, but like everybody says, "I feel like I should be in challenger" but actually, I don't think I am THAT good, but definatley not bronze 4-5 worthy which is where I am stuck in. I want to find a main that can mid or top lane and that can take 1-2 games to understand but I can carry the game heavily no matter how fed a xin zhao mid is, yes that is what people do in bronze, and yes my mid fed a xin zhao mid 7 kills in 10 minutes. Fabulous. But I need things that stop that, but also I can be having fun, champions like xin, jax and annie are not fun to me. They have a repetitive kit and its really boring after 10 minutes. currently im thinking trundle, malz or irelia but I don't know how heavily trundle or irelia can carry and malz seems repetitive. I have enough to buy a 880 RP champion and the only 975 RP ones I don't have are Kled, Kindred, Ekko, Tahm, Vel Koz, and Nami. I really don't know who can heavily carry me to victory whenever I feel like it. I have a prefrence to AD champions, but AP is fine. Thanks! Your Highly LCS Informed Noob, RebornnFX (I just started Kennen and he seems OP but I am afraid he is going to get nerfed soon and he can be poked down really quick)

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Kyukyuu1 votes

Hey.. Try Veigar mid.. honestly even you play bad in game.. veigar still useful with ulti burst.. try it, you will like it.. :D

RebornnFX1 votes

no way, he is so reptitive.

LappaDanielson1 votes

How long have you been playing, and just remember LCS is not real league in any capacity.

RebornnFX1 votes

Yeah I know that, I try to play any champ that LCS isn't playing because its less for the champ to get nerfed.

RebornnFX1 votes

I've been playing for around a year.

LappaDanielson1 votes

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Yeah I know that, I try to play any champ that LCS isn't playing because its less for the champ to get nerfed.

Also not always true, like i said i wouldn't base much off the LCS, the champions used in LCS are not always overpowered and they understand the counter-play needed if a seemingly overpowered one is picked. Champions that destroy ranked queues sometimes are not seen at all in the LCS. But as to help you climb a bit, while one tricking can be boring i suggest narrowing down your champ pool to a select few in the two roles you queue for. its better to be amazing at 3 champs for each role than to be just OK at more.

RebornnFX1 votes

I know but that isn't true for champs like xin and such.

Navarune1 votes

Carrying is more about knowing your strengths and weaknesses compared to those of your opponent than anything else. Honestly, if any champion gets super fed early, there's not a lot you can do to carry out of that (including champion selection).

You should play several different champions yourself and find the ones that feel comfortable to you. When I started, I played a ton of Riven, Jax, and Jayce, just because they were fun to me. Jayce is one that I might suggest if you want someone with a more complex kit with some skill requirement, and Jax's carry potential is still pretty big.

At the end of the day, knowing how to play your champion into your opponent is what will make a difference in whether or not you win your games.

RebornnFX1 votes

good to know, can irelia or trundle do the same?

Navarune1 votes

Irelia can as well, but she has to scale before she's at her strongest impact. Trundle is a lot of fun, but I don't know if I would suggest him for you since you're against repetitive kits. In fights, Trundle acts a lot like a marksman would in terms of actual execution (Nasus is a good comparison as well).

RebornnFX1 votes

Ok, good to know. I dont know what carry top to play..

Navarune1 votes

Try Irelia out. I'm not a fan of her style, but she may fit the bill for you. She is pretty scary late game, and is a capable split pusher besides as well. You'll be using Q a LOT, but her actual dueling is fun. Also, bear in mind you should read a couple guides and maybe watch some videos of her so you'll get an idea how to farm with her early and to duel with her late.

RebornnFX1 votes

I okayed her, she was fun but I dont know how much she can be a tank and carry

RebornnFX1 votes

played*

Navarune1 votes

She's normally played as a fighter, so she's a mix similar to Jax. That's why I said it takes time for her to scale to her full potential, because you start in one direction (usually offensively) and then turn to another, meaning that your build path is longer than some (unless you get fed a lot of kills early).

RebornnFX1 votes

Alright, I think im going to main kennen, irelia, gnar and ahri

Rain NT1 votes

Imo, its impossible to carry yourself if youre already that low. I've only known one player that was able to do that and he just spammed Leb and Zed from bronze 4 every game til he reached gold and then stopped playing them once he was high gold-platinum. But I also have another friend with a his main account in bronze 3 and he created a smurf and made it to diamond just because he wasnt in elo hell. So I think should just wait for the elo reset and then start climbing, if you cant climb after the elo reset, not much I can say. Play Wukong or something and carry by killing everyone with AOE damage. Or play Leb and Zed and kill everything. I would say Irelia if youre experienced with her and know how to use her well enough to carry games.

RebornnFX1 votes

Ill see, I dont want to just give up.

Rain NT1 votes

Well try your hardest til the reset and see how far you can get til then. Good luck either way!

RebornnFX1 votes

thanks!

Serevas1 votes

Well here's the thing most champions that would be capable of carrying dead weight are typically not super easy to pick up, you might be able to understand them in 1-2 games, but actually mastering a champion is where the climbing ability comes from when maining a champion. So while you might understand them quickly, you'll need to realize that it may take several games to really develop the ability to carry your teams with such a champion, and I don't mean several as in 6, I mean several as in 30 depending on the learning curve of the champion.

That all being said the champions I'd recommend, given the requirement is top/mid are Gangplank, Pantheon, Kennen, Fizz, Ekko, Jayce, and Lissandra

Going down the list.

Gangplank is better top than mid because he struggles against ranged matchups, but he's a champion you can fail at in lane and still become a complete monster late game. I had a game where I got ganked nonstop recently, ended up 0/3/0 by 10 minutes, but after that I started scaling, and at the end of the game ended 15/8/19, with over 40k damage to champions, and we ended up winning the game carrying our 5/14 lucian and a jungler who was 0/8 up until the 25 minute mark. Gangplank is actually the champion I've decided to main recently, and while it was frustrating at first to do well individually and not be capable of carrying the team in some games, I learned it was primarily a situation where I wasn't applying my strengths right, which was only something I could learn by playing several games with the same problems happening.

Pantheon is more of a cheesy pick, you choose him to pummel lane very quickly, and then drop that advantage on other lanes, literally. He's not good against everything, and can be abused quite easily.

Kennen is pretty solid, only issue is he largely carries through team fighting CC, so if your team doesn't wish to group up, as some don't, you're not going to be very effective.

Fizz and Ekko are still both the same snowbally nightmares they always have been, both also have variable builds you can try out, be it full AP, AP bruiser, Triforce with Tank, etc.

Jayce is an interesting pick who I feel is similar to Gangplank in that he takes a lot of effort to learn him, but when you do he's exceptionally strong. I used to play a fair bit of Jayce and always had fun with him. He's a lot easier than Gangplank in my opinion, and his turret pushing is as good if not better due to hyper drive. His early poke can be very oppressive, and his all in potential is massive all lane long. The main thing is that you need to learn when you can and can't go in, as his damage can be very enticing, but the last thing you want to do is jump in before all their CC has been used up.

Lissandra is pretty solid, she can be abused quite easily, but works well as a lane bully herself in some situations, she also has her ultimate, which comes with the added benefit of being nearly a guaranteed kill on whatever target you choose to use it on so long as your team follows up. She also has a similar problem to Jayce in that you need to be careful to not just jump in automatically.

I would actually recommend all of these champions aside from Lissandra to be played top over mid if you have the option I also suggest trying to take top more frequently than mid lane as counting on getting mid for your climb is kind of like gambling to pay your bills, you might get it sometimes, but more often than not you're going to get fucked over. This also has the added benefit of removing the likely potential of your top laner getting obliterated as usually top lane goes one of two ways. Either your top laner gets annihilated, or their top laner gets annihilated. It's very rare for them to come out about even.

RebornnFX1 votes

I have all of those but ekko jayca and panth, not really a fan of most of them. Can Irelia and Gnar carry? I want to be able to sustain myself without needing a tank.

Serevas1 votes

Gnar is much more difficult to carry with, but it is possible, and Irelia can carry for sure. I've done it on a couple occasions and I don't play much Irelia.

Edit: I noticed you were talking to some others about it, here's what I see for Irelia builds. Trinity force into either Blade of the Ruined King or Wit's End, then full tank afterwards. She's a classic bruiser more or less, but with her sustain she's able to feel like a tank while still dealing quite a bit of damage, with the added benefit of true damage in her kit. She's also not as slow scaling as a lot of people make her sound, It's kind of like Gangplank, once you hit Trinity force your damage comes online, it just so happens that Gangplank continues to get a ton more damage afterwards, where Irelia kind of plateaus at a certain point.

Here's how I set up my most recent Irelia game where I was a close second in damage to champions, only behind our Cassiopeia.

9 attack damage marks, 3 attack speed quints, scaling armor seals, and scaling mr glyphs. I prefer the scaling defensive runes as you don't want to fight a whole ton with her until 6 anyway, and at that point is when the runes are actually better than their flat value alternatives. I think it's actually 7 or 8 for the magic resistance ones, but you get the point. After 6-8 it's all just extra on top, and most games will at least let you get into the double digits in level so there's not much downside aside from a slightly weaker early game. As far as masteries I run 18/0/12 With my points put into Fury, Double Edged Sword, Natural Talent, Oppressor, Battering Blows, and Fervor of Battle. Then the resolve tree has Recovery or Unyielding (I'm not sure which one I like more yet), Tough Skin, Runic Armor, and finally Insight. I won't give you an item build as it should ALWAYS depend on who you're against in game, however you should build trinity force first every game. Of course I read somewhere else on here that you've played her already, and if you have an alternative build that you prefer, go for that. Runes and Masteries are typically entirely based on person preference and what feels better to you, these are just what feel good for me.

RebornnFX1 votes

Good to know, first game I played with her I fed, but I think its alright. Practice, plus I versed Darius, any tips on versing him? Also if you look at my match history ive been playing kennen, what do you think?

Serevas1 votes

Don't play Irelia into Darius is really the only tip I have for it. It's an awful matchup, you can't fight him at pretty much any stage of the game, he's even likely to 1v2 you if you get a jungler gank. I've only played the matchup from the side of Darius and it was a completely free lane at all times.

You pretty much just have to play passively and pick up what little farm you can, while doing everything in your power to not die to him. Then come to team fighting as you're both not great team fighting champions, but Darius is actually worse unless he can start picking up resets.

It's actually interesting, she does really well against most tanks and squishy top laners, but gets crushed by most of those considered to be bruisers like Darius, Renekton, Illaoi, etc. The reason it's interesting is she's also considered to be a bruiser herself, so she does well against everything aside from her own class in most circumstances.

RebornnFX1 votes

Okay, thats really good to know..

AcidTheWarlock1 votes

I've seen Fiora carry hard.

Have a Nice Game1 votes

This isn't about what a champion can do for you.

Its about what you can do with a champion.

Find a champ you like and learn them until you can face almost any matchup.

Because knowing your limits is one of the most important things in league.

Because if you don't know... How do you play safely?

Hrd2H1t1 votes

I think Sion is really strong right now but I might be a little biased

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