6 bans is literally not enough, and they're incredibly overtuned to the point I don't understand how it made it past the studio, let alone PBE or Live.
Ranked games aren't a playground to test balancing changes.
Live2LetDie3 votes6 bans is not enough!! Only 5 were reworked. Okie hahahahha
Troy2426212 votes6 bans is not enough!! Only 5 were reworked. Okie hahahahha
It's almost like we have non-juggernauts that we'd like to ban.
What happened to the days we banned champions for strategy's sake? Oh, we're building a hard engage, let's ban Janna,...
Live2LetDie2 votesIt's almost like we have non-juggernauts that we'd like to ban.
What happened to the days we banned champions for strategy's sake? Oh, we're building a hard engage, let's ban Janna,...
It still can be. Only champ that's a must ban, imo, is morde. The rest are whatever and people just don't know how to play against them.
Troy2426211 votesIt still can be. Only champ that's a must ban, imo, is morde. The rest are whatever and people just don't know how to play against them.
Ehh. At high levels of play, we're still seeing huge winrates with the likes of 
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Dr Poro1 votesBecause Diamond players suck at this game. Silvers have the best insight of game balance, you fool.
Troy2426211 votes6 bans is not enough!! Only 5 were reworked. Okie hahahahha
If the expectation is that we ban all five champions that are reworked, that alone is a problem...
Dr Poro2 votesIt's not the expectation, it's the sad reality. These reworks leave everyone dissapointed: those who don't main them because they have to ban them or suffer a great disadvantage (see? there's an alternative!) and those who do main them because they're (in reality) permabanned.
Live2LetDie1 votesIf the expectation is that we ban all five champions that are reworked, that alone is a problem...
If you can't play against five different champs then that's your skill level. Each one can be beat.
Critmaster Garen2 votesplease also disable adc. there are not enough bans to ban all of them. and theyre in every game i recenty played. you literally have to pick them or you lose the game.
theyre overtuned to the point, where i dont udnerstand that they dont get nerfed. riot pls.
Troy2426211 votes[{quoted}](name=Critmaster Garen,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=MnrPrJUs,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2015-09-04T21:31:25.014+0000)
please also disable adc. there are not enough bans to ban all of them. and theyre in every game i recenty played. you literally have to pick them or you lose the game.
theyre overtuned to the point, where i dont udnerstand that they dont get nerfed. riot pls.
Straw man. No ADC has a 58% win rate with a very high play rate.
Critmaster Garen1 votesStraw man. No ADC has a 58% win rate with a very high play rate.
none of the juggernauts have 58% winrate and a high playrate.
skarner, darius and garen dont break 55%. and none of the 3 is played more than 12% of the games.
meanwhile adc are palyed 100% of the games.
Troy2426211 votes[{quoted}](name=Critmaster Garen,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=MnrPrJUs,comment-id=000200000000,timestamp=2015-09-04T22:03:47.720+0000)
none of the juggernauts have 58% winrate and a high playrate.
skarner, darius and garen dont break 55%. and none of the 3 is played more than 12% of the games.
meanwhile adc are palyed 100% of the games.
Intentionally misleading argument,...
Additionally, I've seen them peak over 55%. Besides this fact, if you look at their pick and win rates, you'll get a bigger scope of how absurd they are.
Critmaster Garen1 votesIntentionally misleading argument,...
says the guy who just plain lies about 58% winrate.
http://champion.gg/statistics/#?sortBy=general.overallPosition&order=ascend
garen 53% (12% pickrate), darius 54% (12% pickrate), skarn 55.5% (5% pick rate)
meanwhile jinx at 53% winrate and almost double the pick rate. vayne at 37% pick rate and 52% winrate. sit the fuck down. if the juggernauts deserve to be disabled for average winrates, so do the adc for the same stats.
Troy2426211 votes[{quoted}](name=Critmaster Garen,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=MnrPrJUs,comment-id=00020000000000000000,timestamp=2015-09-04T22:36:24.407+0000)
says the guy who just plain lies about 58% winrate.
http://champion.gg/statistics/#?sortBy=general.overallPosition&order=ascend
garen 53% (12% pickrate), darius 54% (12% pickrate), skarn 55.5% (5% pick rate)
meanwhile jinx at 53% winrate and almost double the pick rate. vayne at 37% pick rate and 52% pick rate. sit the fuck down.
because you're looking at the win rates as of right now, using OP.GG as a source. I used LoLKing.
http://www.lolking.net/champions/garen#statistics
as youcan clearly see, Garen peaked out at a 56% winrate (Over your arbitrarily chosen standard of 55%) and had a 20% popularity.
Overall, LoLKing shows his winrate as 54.5% overall with a popularity of 14%, both higher than yours.
It's almost like using a different source creates discrepancy and you should ask for a source before assuming. "Sit the fuck down."
Critmaster Garen1 votesbecause you're looking at the win rates as of right now, using OP.GG as a source. I used LoLKing.
http://www.lolking.net/champions/garen#statistics
as youcan clearly see, Garen peaked out at a 56% winrate (Over your arbitrarily chosen standard of 55%) and had a 20% popularity.
Overall, LoLKing shows his winrate as 54.5% overall with a popularity of 14%, both higher than yours.
It's almost like using a different source creates discrepancy and you should ask for a source before assuming. "Sit the fuck down."
you might want to press a little button
"ranked solo"
his current winrate in ranked overall across all divisions, across all regions is at 53.5% even on lolking. championgg gathered the data from the current patch cycle from games at plat and above.
data from before 5.17 is irellevant, since these champions got changed with the most recent patch. it doesnt matter that skarner was at 65% winrate 2 weeks ago, when he already has been hotfixed.
nerfing or disabling them on this data is like buffing or nerfing any other champion on outdated data.
even your own sources prove my argument. iuncluding concerning vayne and jinx who have double or even higher playrate and similar winrates. so yes. sit the fuck down. because youre spreading false information.
TeemoJenkins1 votesWait... did something change that prevents people from choosing these "OP" champs? "6 bans not enough"? You still can choose these champs right? And they are so freelo OP you'd want to choose them, right? Less QQ more... Slashy Chargy.
Troy2426211 votesWait... did something change that prevents people from choosing these "OP" champs? "6 bans not enough"? You still can choose these champs right? And they are so freelo OP you'd want to choose them, right? Less QQ more... Slashy Chargy.
If a champion's most used counterplay amounts to "Ban it" as the ban rates imply, it's a bit over the top...