Ryze needs his safety improved in order to be viable outside of top lane

Yenn·Jun 21, 2019·3 votes·1,240 views

You can't get in range to Flux the caster minions against 80% of mid laners, because they have a significant range advantage and can dumpster you without ever entering your range. It's more or less impossible to hit his power spike because of this.

Increase Flux range and partially revert the bounce, so it doesn't go to champions unless it kills the minion. This will incidentally make him less overbearing in top lane, as he can no longer dumpster melee champions without meeting any conditions.

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Luther King Jr VJun 21, 20194 votes

you are going to make him more op but sure why not he already one shots everyone late game with ease

nelogisJun 21, 20193 votes

Increase Flux range and partially revert the bounce, so it doesn't go to champions unless it kills the minion. This will incidentally make him less overbearing in top lane, as he can no longer dumpster melee champions without meeting any conditions.

No actually it will make it impossible for top laners to deal with Ryze.

You're "condition" is literally the old condition before the rework and that hasn't stopped Ryze from terrorizing top whenever he was viable in general.

If you improve Ryze safety by range he will ESPECIALLY be better in top lane, not mid.

What you need to do is reduce safety against heavy engage / melee aggression and increase safety against ranged poke / waveclear to make him better in mid.

YennJun 21, 20191 votes

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No actually it will make it impossible for top laners to deal with Ryze.

You're "condition" is literally the old condition before the rework and that hasn't stopped Ryze from terrorizing top whenever he was viable in general.

If you improve Ryze safety by range he will ESPECIALLY be better in top lane, not mid.

What you need to do is reduce safety against heavy engage / melee aggression and increase safety against ranged poke / waveclear to make him better in mid.

I'm not sure what you're talking about, Ryze currently gets dumpstered by hard engage. Before, he would counter a hard engage with a root, shield, and a ton of damage. Now, he has to choose between either the root or damage, and he has literally no survivability in his kit.

Giving him more range on E isn't going to matter against melee, because his E + Q already outranges almost every single top laner's engage. Whether he's using E + Q to clear the wave from 600 or 700 range makes no difference, you're not going to get on top of him unless you have an instant gap closer, and all of those are already in the ~1000 range.