So Thornmail is getting changed in 7.14 on Wed...

Forhonor321·Jul 10, 2017·1 votes·819 views

...which overall I'm fairly excited for, especially since it's getting health and the new item that build into it, Bramble Vest. But here's a question: why is it being built from Warden's Mail? You know, the item that lowers the attack speed of people who hit those with it. Why is this part of it's build path though when it's an item that's pretty much suppose to punish those who are heavily reliant on AA for damage (ADC's, Yi, Tryn, etc.) Isn't that a bit counter productive for the purpose of the item to slow down attacks if the whole point is to let them attack and die off of you?

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Big LincolnJul 10, 20172 votes

all i wanted was to have blademail from dota

now we've got a busted-ass item for 900 gold

Critmaster GarenJul 10, 20171 votes

what if instead they just made it build out of item 1031 and have the damage return on thornmail stack up higher over 5 or 6 auto attacks to force the guy to switch target for a second?

or just straight up increase the armor value back up to 90 on the combined item. i guess that would work too.

RalanrJul 10, 20171 votes

It's being shifted towards an anti healing item than an anti AA item. It'd be broken as both.

Critmaster GarenJul 10, 20171 votes

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It's being shifted towards an anti healing item than an anti AA item. It'd be broken as both.

one issue i see with this, is that the new thornmail wont be stackable with item 3143 or item 3110 anymore.

RalanrJul 10, 20171 votes

I feel that is intended.

meowwow7Jul 10, 20171 votes

i always thought the unique passive meant you couldn't build the same item and get the same effect

Critmaster GarenJul 10, 20171 votes

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i always thought the unique passive meant you couldn't build the same item and get the same effect

well yes. means cold steel from randuins doesnt apply at the same time, and frozen heart is mostly redundant, since slows dont stack anymore.

TusutakiJul 10, 20171 votes

One step forward, two steps back. Thornmail will be completely useless even with the added GW as they completely gutted the damage. The health it gives is almost nonexistent and at most what will happen is that people will buy Bramble Vest and thats it.

vidghostJul 11, 20171 votes

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One step forward, two steps back. Thornmail will be completely useless even with the added GW as they completely gutted the damage. The health it gives is almost nonexistent and at most what will happen is that people will buy Bramble Vest and thats it.

I'm not going to bother with thorn mail anymore.. I'm just going to get Bramble Vest and that's it. Thornmail went from 25% armor + 15% damage taken reflected back as true damage to 10% armor + flat 25 Damage returned

So when an ADC late game attacks you for 1000 damage thorn mail used to deal back 125 + around 40 to 90 Damage from armor from each attack!

But now when an ADC late game attacks you for 500 damage thorn mail deal back 25 + 20 to 30 Damage from armor from each attack! LOL .. its 100% completely useless in every way.. Sun fire Cape now deals more damage then thorn mail. haha

Bramble Vest is good and can be sold for something better when you get to your 6th item.

RIP thorn mail.. i will never buy it ever again lol - Rammus main!

liandry's torment is the NEW thornmail on rammus .. NO JOKE .. it proc's every time someone auto attacks you with your Defensive Ball Curl (W) on

2% of the target's current health per second for 3 seconds. This bonus damage is doubled to 4% of the target's current health per second for 3 seconds. ( using Rammus's ult (R) as it now slows up to 90% MS for 6 seconds lol )

So their health just melts away. when you have this! .. bramble vest. and sun fire cape! :)

Add on something like wits end that removed MR or some AD items and you have one very powerful AP tank.

PhhaseJul 11, 20171 votes

I don't understand why they ever started to change it from:

+a buttton of armor

return 30% of AA damage as magic damage

It's effective, and still needs HP to back it up. None of these convoluted armor scalings and piddly damage charts. Although I will say that the Grevious Wounds is a good idea. You can't build Mortal Reminder or Morellonomicon on tanks most of the time.