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The nasus buff isn't addressing the real issue for him and the vayne buff is just fucking stupid

Tychusfindlay918··61 votes·17,299 views

Nasus Siphoning Strike (Q) stack gain on Champion, large minion and large monster kills increased from 6 to 12

This isn't going to fix nasus, it's just going to make his dueling even more retarded than it is while his teamfight stays shit. If nasus does become good after this change it's going to be because hes so busted he can Q everything to death before going down which isn't healthy design. NASUS IS ONE OF THE BEST DUELERS IN THE GAME RIGHT NOW. News flash, the reason why nasus fucking sucks is two-fold:

  1. He comes online too late right now and the meta is based around shitting on your opponent in lane, grouping up, and running it down mid at like 20 minutes and winning the game
  2. Dueling/split pushing is fucking useless because the enemy team will 5 man deathball it down mid and you'll just straight up lose the game after that.

If you want nasus to be in a better spot without potentially fucking breaking him you should consider instead ways to make the lane phase not end so fast and to reduce snowball. Turret plating was pretty good, but you done fucked it up by adding a massive 160 gold per plate bounty. Sure turrets take longer to go down, but lane becomes more oppressive because lane bullies will chip a plate or two and then come in with such a massive fucking gold advantage that they'll just gigashit on their laner anyways until the turret goes down which it will relatively fast. I kid you not, a better buff to nasus would be plating gold going down to 100 per plate from 160.

Vayne Tumble receives 50% cooldown buff on R

Congrats, you're literally taking the change that made nasus gigacancer and didn't fix him in any way and are now applying that to vayne, this will be funny. Did you not learn a single thing from the nasus Q buff? You literally broke the champion to try to get him to become viable and while it turned his dueling into oppressive nonsense post tri force that almost nothing can contend with, IT STILL DIDN'T FIX HIM. And this isn't going to fix vayne too. Is there a chance vayne becomes viable and even meta with this change? Yes. Is it because she'll be a relatively healthy champion that is balanced well enough for people to pick her up and succeed if they learn how to play her well? No it'll be because you hyperbuffed her Q nasus-style to become so spammable that you can't respond to her because she goes invis too quickly and too often and you can't survive her because she's getting empowered auto attacks at that same rapidity.

Please reconsider these two buffs.

50 Comments

Pika Fox20 votes

His teamfight is supposed to be shit, and should always be shit.

Zero Skill Tank1 votes

preach

rtbf2216514121 votes

[{quoted}](name=Pika Fox,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=MhEOXww1,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-12-13T03:13:14.771+0000)

His teamfight is supposed to be shit, and should always be shit.

His E is AoE armor melt and he can build item 3025.

You realize he will most likely be abusing his AoE now and Iceborne build right?

Pika Fox1 votes

Doesnt matter if his Q one shots someone if he dies before he can ever get to them. Nasus' teamfight is bad because he has no immediate gap closer or capability to get to the prime targets, and his only defensive stat is lifesteal on passive.

rtbf2216514122 votes

[{quoted}](name=Pika Fox,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=MhEOXww1,comment-id=000000020000,timestamp=2018-12-13T22:14:16.030+0000)

Doesnt matter if his Q one shots someone if he dies before he can ever get to them.

How is Nasus going to die if he one shots the enemy?

Why would you chase them?

How will he never get to them when he has wither?

The only champion that can kite them that way is Jhin. That is it.

Pika Fox1 votes

When your ADC isnt boosted, they position near the support and behind the frontline. Nasus isnt getting through tanks with CC, supports with CC, and an ADCs limited self peel. Same reason darius is getting kited to hell.

Also mikaels > wither.

rtbf2216514122 votes

[{quoted}](name=Pika Fox,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=MhEOXww1,comment-id=00000002000000000000,timestamp=2018-12-14T21:39:03.158+0000)

When your ADC isnt boosted, they position near the support and behind the frontline. Nasus isnt getting through tanks with CC, supports with CC, and an ADCs limited self peel. Same reason darius is getting kited to hell.

Also mikaels > wither.

Is this before or after you realized his E is ranged, his W slows by 99%, and Icebourne is an AoE slow that gives him stacks? And who the fuck builds Mikaels now with enchanters being terrible with the exception of Janna? You expecting it In solo queue? Expecting Nasus to die with only tanky items with Q 12 stacking and ult? LOL

Who is boosted again? Last time I remember, a Nasus shouldn't chase (sometimes he can 1 v 1) and he would be attacking the closest target. I'm sure you don't play Nasus. Do I need to look into your match history? He isn't the same as he was in Season 3. His sustain + new tankiness will make him a juggernaut. Oh wait...

Pika Fox1 votes

We are talking about teamfighting here. Whats a nasus doing in a teamfight if hes not chasing? Hes dead. Dying. Done. He has no innate defenses other than lifesteal, so even if he builds full tank hes not going to last long in a teamfight, and an ADC late game is just going to shred him. This is why his early and mid game are his strong points, hes garbage late game when teamfights are the primary goal, and if he hasnt taken an inhib yet his overall pressure isnt enough to do anything for his team anymore.

Hilariously a slow is his best contribution and his greatest counter.

rtbf2216514121 votes

[{quoted}](name=Pika Fox,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=MhEOXww1,comment-id=0000000200000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-12-15T04:16:52.498+0000)

We are talking about teamfighting here. Whats a nasus doing in a teamfight if hes not chasing? Hes dead. Dying. Done. He has no innate defenses other than lifesteal, so even if he builds full tank hes not going to last long in a teamfight, and an ADC late game is just going to shred him. This is why his early and mid game are his strong points, hes garbage late game when teamfights are the primary goal, and if he hasnt taken an inhib yet his overall pressure isnt enough to do anything for his team anymore.

Hilariously a slow is his best contribution and his greatest counter.

Im not going to respond to you because to you AoE slow, AoE Q stacks and damage, AoE Ult, and etc clearly doesn't stink of team fight or anything. I'm sorry someone who hasn't played Nasus since season 3 is talking as if they know him now.

Pika Fox1 votes

Literally nothing has changed about him. There was one point in all of LoL where Nasus was a dominant force in teamfights, and thats back when riot made his ult heavily increase the range of all his abilities and he was the best jungler in the game of those patches. Now, unless you get a really good flank off, you show up to a teamfight you just die (against competent opponents)

rtbf2216514121 votes

[{quoted}](name=Pika Fox,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=MhEOXww1,comment-id=000000020000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-12-15T08:43:18.158+0000)

Literally nothing has changed about him.

Do you understand that nothing has to change about him for him to change? The game environment has changed. We are now in a damage meta in solo queue. He has the damage and survivability due to his stacks alone. Large minions will give him double stacks now. Range attacks will feel like paper. He will now have AoE, now being useful in fights if the change goes through. He has innate sustain on top of all of that. He can burn armor, aoe slow, aoe attack, and can slow the enemies within range that try to run in team fights. What part of this is hard to comprehend?

Was it the fact you keep reading over the HE DOESN'T CHASE?

Pika Fox1 votes

Chasing is literally all he can do in a teamfight. He will NEVER get near a squishy in a real fight unless he flanks, meaning the enemy doesnt have proper ward coverage. Nasus teamfighting is some bronze level plays, it physically will not happen in high plat or above with favorable results.

His E and W do not matter in a teamfight if he dies before he can get in melee range, and any competent team will never let him in range.

The E771 votes

yes but its so shit that there is no reason to play nasus at all, champions that also have shit team fights have other ways to win, tryn will snowball hard, get massive crits and win before team fights become important, quinn gets 6 and becomes a 2nd jungler to pummel the enemy team into the ground so hard that even if a team fight does start her team can easily win a 4v5, darius fucks his laner and becomes a monster that you need to send AT LEAST 2 people to deal with, and then split pushes all game, whats the difference between all these champions and nasus? THEY GET THEIR DAMAGE EARLY, nasus needs to power farm for like 15 - 20 mins before he even starts to tickle people, and by that point he needs to group, but oh look he has 0 hard cc, 0 range and 0 mobility, so he joins a team fight, gets slowed once and dies, champions that want to do what nasus do, do it 10 mins earlier so that they can snowball an advantage so that they don't even need to join a team fight, if they gave nasus a dash, of any kind, maybe when he is in his ult, his q will make him leap to anyone affected by his w, then he would be INFINITY better in team fights, as of now, by the time he becomes relevant, he is also in his weakest point

Pika Fox1 votes

No reason to pick Nasus.... apart from his early and mid game power potential, one of if not the best top laner for ganking due to how powerful his W and E are, and his ability to 3 shot towers and splitpush, as well as one of the best objective control champions of all top laners with E and ramping Q damage.

No Chat System1 votes

I agree with you because of his unlimited Q but nothing more.

The Trent2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Pika Fox,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=MhEOXww1,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-12-13T03:13:14.771+0000)

His teamfight is supposed to be shit, and should always be shit.

The only moment I remember while playing Nasus is split pushing while I was 1/4 late game and 4 people came at me 1 by 1 and all of a sudden I was 5/4. All of them got one - three shot and it did happen fast enough for me to get a quadrakill announcment. I think that's kinda the Nasus dream, idk why they're trying to change it and make him a good teamfighter.

DarkTree112 votes

"nasus, as a scaling splitpushy duelist champion, isn't doing too hot in this hyper-quick lane shitstomp ARAM@12 minutes meta. perhaps we should do something to buff him, like making him able to survive lane, or something to stop him from getting permacced in teamfi-" "how 'bout some more damage" "wh-no, that's... why? he already-" "m o r e d a m a g e"

LTK KoRo2 votes

Lets give the "scaling splitpushy duelist champion" also the good teamfighting so he'll be op at everything like adcs during ardent meta

Great idea, thats why boards are ignored by riot

GayFluffyUnicorn2 votes

Good at everything? No.

Riot slowly but surely alienated splitpushers from the game and forced the 5v5 deathball meta on us ofc a champ like nasus is absolute worthless dogshit in the game right now. So either you give him the tools to teamfight and shove off a bit of his splitpush potential or you make the game interesting again. Riot doesn't want to make the game interesting but wants us all to run at each other and deathmatch around baron and dragons. So be it.

PlsBuffMyMain1 votes

{quoted} Riot slowly but surely alienated splitpushers from the game

Jax Irelia Kled Darius Renekton

All pretty popular champs with decent winrates that can splitpush. Heck, even inting Sion is a thing.

TheSingularity5 votes

It's less that he comes on late, more that he doesn't come on at all. And even when he does, everyone does his job better. Nerf his passive. Biff his def.

Vayne is retarded and should b kept trash

GigglesO5 votes

3 easy ways to rebalance the game:

Just nerf everyones damage in the game...

Revert the game back to 2017 with old runes and masteries....

Buff defense so that it effectively lowers damage....

Elewd12 votes

fuck 2017, go hard and go to 2013/14

DoktorKaiser1 votes

2012*

Crash Bandicoot3 votes

They don't want to balance the game. They want you to start being forced to permaban (at least Vayne) so that champs that are currently permabanned have a higher chance of getting to see gameplay. They know exactly what they are doing and that's why these changes will be going through. The worst part about it? This actually works. I currently ban LeBlanc every game, no exception. Next patch? I'll be banning Vayne every game with no exception, leaving LeBlanc to get through.

Starcraft243ver3 votes

The problem with buffing champions by adressing their weaknesses rather than improving their strengths is you are going to soften the differences between these highly specialized champions and the generalists.

Basically you would kill his identity as a duelist. Some champions are niche and have to be really good at something while totaly sucking at something else to compensate. You want nasus to have clear weaknesses and clear strengh so you can play around these.

I'm not telling it's done correctly atm, i'm just saying you dont want to buff him by removing or softening his weaknesses, and the path they choosed actually make sens from a game design point of view.

IG Ziko2 votes

Nasus buff will not break him. It's actually useless and I don't even know why they did that. U only gain extra stacks from cannons in lane (unless u for some reason play him jungle) and that mean after like 15 cannon waves, when u kill 10 cannons out of these 15, u will end up with 60 more stacks. That will take too long anyways it's not like nasus can solo kill his enemy laner at level 3.

SKT T1 FTW2 votes

vayne buff is fair

Rıots Bad Client2 votes

Increase everyones base defense stats and scaling.

health, Armor and MR.

ooNerOoo2 votes

no riot games is a bunch of monkeys. Stop expecting them to change, they aren't. They are going to keep doing dumb shit because they don't actually play the game. I swear to god, 5-year-olds could design this game to be more fun.

WøOxer1 votes

Vayne's buff in Nexus blitz should be omega fun in URF deathmatch mode.

Daddy Ants1 votes

{quoted}

Vayne's buff in Nexus blitz should be omega fun in URF deathmatch mode.

Everytime she tumbles, she has to auto attack to start the spell cooldown.

With the cancer people are playing in NB, Lux etc.

Vayne usually can't get close.

Ignika D1 votes

riot got 2 options on nasus or they give him a chanse to fight early like they doing on vayne or fiora or actualy give him a late game so the lack of a team menber for 10-25 min based on elo was worth it

Remmeh1 votes

People dont even know how to play this champion anyway. All they do with Nasus is afk farm till the other team is so fart ahead on the map that winning is impossible anyway.

Need Gold 4 Tent1 votes

Well, I think that jungle nasus might be back in meta then. It's harder to get fucked in the jungle (assuming competent laners) than in lane because you are PvE more of the time than PvP.

Tychusfindlay9181 votes

[{quoted}](name=Need Gold 4 Tent,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=MhEOXww1,comment-id=000a,timestamp=2018-12-13T11:55:13.212+0000)

Well, I think that jungle nasus might be back in meta then. It's harder to get fucked in the jungle (assuming competent laners) than in lane because you are PvE more of the time than PvP.

That's not true, because the other team can pick a jungle that can abuse you, and nasus's jungle clear is absolutely horrendous and his ganking is worthless.

Need Gold 4 Tent1 votes

{quoted}

That's not true, because the other team can pick a jungle that can abuse you, and nasus's jungle clear is absolutely horrendous and his ganking is worthless.

A general rule of thumb, it is always riskier to invade than to clear your own jungle. Depending on your lanes having priority of course, regardless of jungler. I could be Yi and I know I shit on Eve at levels 1-5, but her teammates will always be closer to help her than my own unless my team has lane priority somehow. So in the end, even if theoretically I win in an invade, it ends up being a roughly 50/50 chance of turning bad.

E max is better for the jungle, and this buff helps even more. You don't have time to last hit Q on every tiny monster, that delays your clear. You basically make sure you get the big +6 and move on to the next camp, any small monsters that survive the AoE for you to last hit with Q is just a bonus. If anything, this buff makes this even better, giving you more returns for the big camps while you powerfarm through the small ones.

I'm actually interested in finding out if a mid funnelled jungle Nasus might work.

Gravesinger1 votes

they'll just gigashit on their laner anyways

[sg-miss-fortune]

Anchorit Wracaj1 votes

Theres no place or spot for Nasus in this meta.So even if they buff him 3 times more,he will still remain troll pick. Darius,fiora,jax,camile,aatrox,irelia will still rekt his kids..they also nerfed overgrowth,the Nasus rune.And destroying all sort of tankiness/deffense in this game.

FioraWillCarry1 votes

Fiora loses to Nasus at all stages of the game.

Anchorit Wracaj1 votes

{quoted}

Fiora loses to Nasus at all stages of the game.

How come Fiora have 9.2% pick rate,49.3% win rate,and 7.8% banrate? and nasus is at 2.2% pick rate,46,6% WIN RATE,0.5% Ban rate? How the hell is Nasus who is played by one tricks mostly,the worst champion on top and feels like a legit troll pick? Explain me that. Why is he so OP and one shoting everyone,but is below trash and have one of the worst win rates,ban rates,and pick rates? Nasus needs a brutal buffs to even be able to be placed in same sentence with Fiora.

FioraWillCarry1 votes

None of those statistics have anything whatsoever to do with why Nasus is so strong vs Fiora.

Anchorit Wracaj1 votes

{quoted}

None of those statistics have anything whatsoever to do with why Nasus is so strong vs Fiora.

Yeah... Nor ur arguments are valid with those statistics.Fiora is a op champion in this state.Nasus is below trash. And yeh...Im not even playing those champions,just pure facts. So yeah..Nasus needs even more buffs currently,he needs a bigger and stronger buffs to even be relevant in this meta.

MankeyMadness1 votes

Learn to speak like you're at least 15 and stop swearing. This is a Nasus post not Kled.

ÀIpha1 votes

Remember when nasus used to be meta when the new runes came out? Yeah guess what.. No conqueror then. Unfortunately as the season has passedand he kept going further and further downhill making him unplayable in ranks above gold.

If you want nasus to be " Viable " (Not broken) then damage needs to be turned down, the point isn't for him to get more stacks on cannons, large monsters and champs, it's for him to get stacks quickly. Which is why nasus needs beloved CDR asap when you play him. A respectful buff would be lowering the q cooldown for rank 1-4 and keep rank 5 the same, this lets him keep up with how fast champs snowball against him.

Ungrateful Thug1 votes

Off topic: Congrats on getting D3, Tychus. [slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

Joseraph1 votes

Maybe if they nerfed Wither and buffed his ult defenses? I really feel like Nasus shouldn't be killing adc's but weakening them for his team with W/E and just hypertanking. This would still let him kill ADCs 1v1, but not let him run through an entire team with a billion defense and kill someone permarooted by Wither as he does when he's busted.

I think a good buff would be that his per second gain on defense while ulting scales off how many people are near him. This way he's not impossible to kill 1v1 (because he's already damn hard) but more durable in a fight

LordGeovanni1 votes

Nasus doesnt need Good teamfighting you shouldnt remove every weakness that everyone has. despite his E being real good in teamfights because it shreds armor and if the enemy tries to move out of it they have to stop dpsing to get out.

Tesladin1 votes

Definitely wouldnt mind if nasus or vayne got buffed Oo

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