Oh, you have an unwarded bush? Free damage for Rengar. Oh, you have hard cc? I'll just qss myself and survive that. Like, wtf are you supposed to do against this cancer? You can't burst him and he has more burst than 99% of the junglers in this game. And unless you have 100% of the map warded he has free reign all game. And he doesn't even need to be in melee range to burst you anymore, thanks to the changes made to his 'q'.
Variks the Loyal5 votesSeriously.
This needs to stop.
Yes, he has a cleanse. Guess what? It guts his damage.
Yes, he has burst. Guess what? He's an Assassin.
Yes, he leaps from bushes. Guess what? It's a passive, and every champion gets one. If you're not by bushes Rengar is at a disadvantage.
Learn the proper counterplay, this is getting tiresome.
Asayake 5150glow3 votesSeriously.
This needs to stop.
Yes, he has a cleanse. Guess what? It guts his damage.
Yes, he has burst. Guess what? He's an Assassin.
Yes, he leaps from bushes. Guess what? It's a passive, and every champion gets one. If you're not by bushes Rengar is at a disadvantage.
Learn the proper counterplay, this is getting tiresome.
But it doesn't gut his damage, because he's an assassin.
Yep, but he's also got a cleanse and heal.
As if bushes aren't literally almost everywhere. Especially everywhere important. Oh, and his ult too.
But what is it? Pray tell.
Variks the Loyal4 votesIt does gut his damage, because he can't use Emp Q.
It guts his damage.
Oh no, he gets a free leap when he ults, whatever can we do! And bushes aren't literally everywhere. They're in the jungle and in isolated parts of the river and lanes.
To counterplay Rengar - Group up, ward properly, invest in reds (Most people don't), don't walk into unwarded areas, watch your minimap for him to pop up attacking elsewhere, buy something defensive (Armor negates Lethality).
Papa Andrei1 votesArmor negates lethality LOL. You can easily get 85 lethality which basically means true damage vs all squishies.
His base Q, W, E and Crit auto can one shot/3/4ths a normal targets hp. Plus Thunderlords and if he can get a few more AA in caus EON stopping counter engage.
EON +Cleanse + Anti Burst healing that also grants more damage and ms so he can get out, wait 3-4 seconds and jump back in while the enemy team is waiting on a 13 second cc cooldown.
Free, no cost gapcloser anywhere in the map besides midlane, that also gains more range as the game progresses.
Rengar Top Lane1 votes
It does gut his damage, because he can't use Emp Q.
It guts his damage.
Oh no, he gets a free leap when he ults, whatever can we do! And bushes aren't literally everywhere. They're in the jungle and in isolated parts of the river and lanes.
To counterplay Rengar - Group up, ward properly, invest in reds (Most people don't), don't walk into unwarded areas, watch your minimap for him to pop up attacking elsewhere, buy something defensive (Armor negates Lethality).
Group up and I bet your horse that I'll kill at least 2 people. It's a dream to see squishies clump together, lol.
Asayake 5150glow1 votes
It does gut his damage, because he can't use Emp Q.
It guts his damage.
Oh no, he gets a free leap when he ults, whatever can we do! And bushes aren't literally everywhere. They're in the jungle and in isolated parts of the river and lanes.
To counterplay Rengar - Group up, ward properly, invest in reds (Most people don't), don't walk into unwarded areas, watch your minimap for him to pop up attacking elsewhere, buy something defensive (Armor negates Lethality).
Too bad the only time he'd ever want to use his Cleanse, Emp Q wouldn't have helped him either.
He's still oneshotting... and his early game DPS is much higher than it was prerework.
Take a map of Summoners Rift. Mark all the bushes. Now draw a circle equal to Rengar's jump range (plus a bit, since he can jump a little after walking out of the bush). You'll be surprised how little room there is to actually maneuver. Take Dragon, for example. If they draw it out, up or down, there's a bush right next to it (bot lane bush on red side, or the river bush under mid lane). Almost all of each lane has a bush near it, too. There's the bush next to the tier two tower in the lane, the bush between Krugs and the lane, the Tribush, and the lane bushes.
Those are all general tips that would work for anthing.
yay nibbers1 votesI've been burst from bushes by so many champs, especially 
. At least Rengar has to jump out of his bush to kill you. Why is it only not okay for Rengar to do it but champions like Annie, who doesn't even give you counterplay because she kills you in the time she stuns you, it's perfectly fine and nobody complains? But I digress. Rengar is literally designed for and around his passive leap. You're supposed to fear the unwarded bush. It's not Rengar's fault if you don't know where he is and you get punished for it. This is true not only of Rengar but literally any champion in the game.
cardomajig241 votes[{quoted}](name=Windy Ronin,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=MeaXTrwx,comment-id=00040001,timestamp=2017-03-12T16:09:07.015+0000)
I've been burst from bushes by so many champs, especially
Because having your tanks surround the carries with spellsheilds on everyone ( Banshee's and EON) makes it so that if she tries to go and pop it your team can cc and punish her. The only place she is a problem is bronze where she'll walk past a team and they won't notice. Happened to me in my sona game, no one focused her while she literally held her ult and walked through my team.
fuffychan4 votesBut theres so much counterplay to a guy who can jump at you from stealth with 100-0 damage and a spell shield and free QSS
The JigSAW3 votesI've always thought his kit allowed him way too much ability to just take somebody out quickly with little if any risk of dying, because if he had a risk of dying he'd just ult and walk off invisible for 20-30 seconds.
I wouldn't call him cancer though. Earlier I had to fight a Rengar as Wukong top and it wasn't a fun match whatsoever, but I built sunfire and randuin's omen and then when he leapt out of the bush at me, I used the omen active while Q/E and then ulting which did the trick. He was able to kill me simply by staying in the bush and leaping at minions to gain his stacks, but since they now drop off he had to get all four to hold a little longer. So, after he got me I refused to engage at all while I built armor and health. After that, I was able to put him down even when he had 8 kills and I had 1. I barely play Wukong so if it was the wrong combo, that'd be why.
Best things to buy vs Rengar as quickly as possible: 
That'll give you over 200 armor and 1,000 health as well as the ability to reflect his basic attacks as magic damage to him (with 50 armor and 15% of his damage) every basic. Use omen's active when he's low and about to stealth and jump him.
When you think about cancer though, Rengar doesn't have double crit, a shield that regenerates in combat, a wind wall, and 50% bonus armor pen for 15 seconds on ult regardless if it hits/kills or not and a dash that can be spammed every tenth of a second. Just saying, there's worse to deal with.
Asayake 5150glow1 votes[{quoted}](name=The JigSAW,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=MeaXTrwx,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2017-03-12T01:20:07.000+0000)
I've always thought his kit allowed him way too much ability to just take somebody out quickly with little if any risk of dying, because if he had a risk of dying he'd just ult and walk off invisible for 20-30 seconds.
I wouldn't call him cancer though. Earlier I had to fight a Rengar as Wukong top and it wasn't a fun match whatsoever, but I built sunfire and randuin's omen and then when he leapt out of the bush at me, I used the omen active while Q/E and then ulting which did the trick. He was able to kill me simply by staying in the bush and leaping at minions to gain his stacks, but since they now drop off he had to get all four to hold a little longer. So, after he got me I refused to engage at all while I built armor and health. After that, I was able to put him down even when he had 8 kills and I had 1. I barely play Wukong so if it was the wrong combo, that'd be why.
Best things to buy vs Rengar as quickly as possible:
That'll give you over 200 armor and 1,000 health as well as the ability to reflect his basic attacks as magic damage to him (with 50 armor and 15% of his damage) every basic. Use omen's active when he's low and about to stealth and jump him.
When you think about cancer though, Rengar doesn't have double crit, a shield that regenerates in combat, a wind wall, and 50% bonus armor pen for 15 seconds on ult regardless if it hits/kills or not and a dash that can be spammed every tenth of a second. Just saying, there's worse to deal with.
In my experience with Wu, it is far better to go flat damage and roam. You'll still do decent damage against their ADC's, and having your stealth mean's you'll be able to use it. Maybe you only do 50% of their health because you're behind, but they'll only have 50% of their health left after fighting your laner.
Then you outscale almost any assassin because your invisibility means you burst them before they can burst you. That includes Rengar - you know where he is? Press W, E+auto+Q+R and he's dead. Well, Rengar W might change that, but he's probably dead.
Reference: Going 1/6 against a Jayce then oneshotting him while not taking any damage later on.
However, this means you don't get much farm. But your Q means last hitting under tower is simple enough, along with building AD. Just don't let them make a freeze.
The JigSAW1 votesFirstly, thanks for the downvotes Yasuo mains. You prove your class with every passing day, and I'll be sure to leave a few mushrooms top and mid for you later!
I'm actually not very familiar with Wukong, I've always wanted to play him so thank you for the tips - mostly just a little practicing here and there to add another top laner to the line-up. What three items do you view as core on him?
Asayake 5150glow1 votes[{quoted}](name=The JigSAW,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=MeaXTrwx,comment-id=000200000000,timestamp=2017-03-12T14:51:24.149+0000)
Firstly, thanks for the downvotes Yasuo mains. You prove your class with every passing day, and I'll be sure to leave a few mushrooms top and mid for you later!
I'm actually not very familiar with Wukong, I've always wanted to play him so thank you for the tips - mostly just a little practicing here and there to add another top laner to the line-up. What three items do you view as core on him?
Huh? Close, buddy. I'm a Riven main.
Honestly, I'm not a great Wukong and I don't play him often, but I've a friend who does play him and knows more than I do. I went for Lethality, but that was when Lethality was broken. Cleaver Rav has always been a decent build, into Youmuu's or tank.
Genocide Victim3 votesThe problem with rengar is a similar problem with tanks. He is too tanky while doing too much damage. This needs to change, damage or tank, not both.
N3mO061 votes[{quoted}](name=Genocide Victim,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=MeaXTrwx,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2017-03-12T01:41:37.042+0000)
The problem with rengar is a similar problem with tanks. He is too tanky while doing too much damage. This needs to change, damage or tank, not both.
Too tanky?!?! Dude he has 1 less base armor then varus and a worst armor scaling the fiddle. Wtf are you talking about.... He is tanky because he is buying defensive item. If adc are having problem with him, buy a defensive item like he is doing.
AmazoX3 votesEvery Gameplay thread in a nut shell. QQ'bout the champion.
Ad Astra per Asp2 voteshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kb4ligeRlAk Don Huap has advice for you but I agree he's a pita to deal with.
ImNotGio2 votesI've always like how Riot's had trouble balancing him. Who know a champion that literally scales with kills would be hard to balance. And I don't mean like 'Oh I'm 5/0 so I can buy lots of items.' I mean 'Rengar's 5/15, yet can still one shot the ADC'
politicalnarwhal1 votesRengar can't just ult and run away, I played lots of rengar and from what I've seen if you ult the enemy can still see u and kill me. This happened to me plenty of times, so no rengar can't just ult and run away.
