I've been making Evelynn work through effort and not bitching

Support Evelynn·Dec 21, 2014·7 votes·834 views

Hello everyone, here to talk about my favorite champion Evelynn (since Soraka was deleted) and I've been kind of disgusted at these so called "Evelynn mains" dropping her without even trying to work around her changes and maybe even taking advantage of them. Now I'm not saying Evelynn is a strong pick by any means, she does need some help (not a lot, but a little), but to go around and say she's unplayable? That's absolutely hilarious.

For your benefits I made a guide in General Discussion on how to clear early and gank early on Evelynn: http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/GD/0QEwiEAA-how-to-clear-the-jungle-early-on-evelynn-a-guide

If you really love playing a champion, don't just give up on them, make them work and have fun.

19 Comments

Lotto123Dec 21, 20143 votes

Eve is way underpowered... She has almost no sustain in early jungle, her q doesn't generate much dmg early on when compared to the jungle monsters so she ends up having to recall constantly for the first 10-15 minutes of the game. Since she is a big squishy ball, her ganks are relatively useless unless she can get off some super early in game. Otherwise she falls behind and can't even gank a squishy vieger.

I've done good with her, but she is also a champ that relies heavily on allies. She isn't the "assassin" they call her either, an assassin is like zed, in-and-out attack. With eve you have to trade blows with a champ and since she ms. Squishy it doesn't work out well.

NOW HER ULT is pure rubbish, worse than pantheon's ult. Why does her ult have no minimum damage? I know it's supposed to be an engaging ult, but with that horrendous cd time, you can't even engage much. Not to mention, when you engage, even if the persons health is low, they won't die. Literally a champ with 100 health left can survive her ult? Makes no sense, riot needs to give her ult a minimum damage

KoechopheDec 21, 20142 votes

I'm sorry, but eve is bordering on unplayable at the moment. She "can" clear the jungle, but so can jungle soraka. Doesn't make it viable. I would go in depth, but basically, the crux of it is this: eve was weak before the jungle changes, and while a lot of things about the new jungle hurt her, nothing benefits her. She can't take spirit of the lizard elder anymore, and the new AD item has too much focus on Armor pen when Eve's damage is mixed, while the AP item has too much focus on CDR when eve benefits more from AP. Eve used to be an early game champion who fell off hard if she wasn't fed, now she's terrible in the early game while still falling off hard. She is outclassed in every way by other assassin junglers, especially shaco who does everything eve does except better. She is resting at an 18% win ratio in master ranked (http://www.lolking.net/charts?region=all&type=champion-loserate&range=daily&map=sr&queue=1x1&league=challenger) and a 38% in general. She needs more than just "a little work" and she definitely needs more than just a low-end mana regen buff and adding on-hit to her E.

Support EvelynnDec 21, 20143 votes

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I'm sorry, but eve is bordering on unplayable at the moment. She "can" clear the jungle, but so can jungle soraka.

Stopped reading here because Soraka can't clear the jungle. Like literally can not.

KoechopheDec 21, 20141 votes

Have you ever tried it? Strong leash + landing the sweet spot on the monsters every time + tank masteries + Gromp buff actually makes it possible.

Support EvelynnDec 21, 20143 votes

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Have you ever tried it? Strong leash + landing the sweet spot on the monsters every time + tank masteries + Gromp buff actually makes it possible.

I've tried at least 40+ champs in the new jungle, including Soraka. And if they need a leash to do at least the superior pathing (3 non-buff camps) then they can't clear in my eyes.

KoechopheDec 21, 20141 votes

I can clear the "superior pathing" as jungle soraka without any leash whatsoever by using good runes/masteries. Trick is using tank masteries + start gold for the extra potion + going gromp for the poison damage. Would you like me to post a youtube video?

Support EvelynnDec 21, 20142 votes

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I can clear the "superior pathing" as jungle soraka without any leash whatsoever by using good runes/masteries. Trick is using tank masteries + start gold for the extra potion + going gromp for the poison damage. Would you like me to post a youtube video?

Wouldn't it be better to just abuse her range and start krugs with a full AS page?

KoechopheDec 21, 20141 votes

Imho since gromp and wraiths (which are two of the hardest camps) are ranged and since she has relatively low base hp, it's better to go with the tankier route and abuse her high base damages on starcall.

This is devolvoing a bit though, the original discussion was over eve.

Linna ExcelDec 21, 20142 votes

Forcing players to suffer through a champ's bad design is wrong on riot's end.

However I'll check out your guide and see if it works.

Support EvelynnDec 21, 20144 votes

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Forcing players to suffer through a champ's bad design is wrong on riot's end.

However I'll check out your guide and see if it works.

Bad design?

SeCKS EgaiDec 21, 20142 votes

Despite not being an eve player, it's not hard to see how badly she's been given the shaft over the years.

I mean, the last time I truly found her intimidating was prior to the stealth rework. Someone like Lee has basically been allowed to perform consistently well, but someone like Eve gets a nerf beating anytime a decent strat gets going.

It's hard enough to fit her in the current meta. And she's not the only champ suffering this kinda fate.

KingsgraveDec 21, 20141 votes

Its going to get even better for you because Evelynn's E will proc on hits next patch, thus allowing her to use the krugs buff WAY better than on live.

Poptart EvelynnDec 21, 20141 votes

If we don't bitch then Riot wouldn't be actively working on her currently. But they are because we bitched about her being extremely subpar with the game changes.

You ever heard of an indirect buff? Well Evelynn got a huge ass indirect nerf recently with the changes to the game pace. So what's wrong with us complaining about Evelynn's current shit state again? Playing Eve in sub par elo can make you think she is ok. But I dropped out of diamond trying to play Eve through these last few patches.

So you're damn straight I'm going to just drop Evelynn when she is currently garbage. The state she is currently in is extremely upsetting and we deserve for Evelynn to be properly fixed. If you say otherwise then I'll have to say that you never enjoyed Evelynn for what she truly was and just picked her up during her broken periods. FOTM players make me sick when they talk about the balanced state of a character.

Support EvelynnDec 21, 20143 votes

[{quoted}](name=Nya Poptart Cat,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=MbXsUE7n,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2014-12-21T08:11:29.025+0000) So you're damn straight I'm going to just drop Evelynn when she is currently garbage. The state she is currently in is extremely upsetting and we deserve for Evelynn to be properly fixed. If you say otherwise then I'll have to say that you never enjoyed Evelynn for what she truly was and just picked her up during her broken periods. FOTM players make me sick when they talk about the balanced state of a character.

I vaguely remember you even admitting of doing such yourself.

And yeah, I must be such a fotm player spamming her during a time where I get flamed for picking her. I've honestly had more people yell at me for picking HER than URGOT. I am completely sick of people saying I can not do well on a champion that is perceived as bad.

KoechopheDec 21, 20143 votes

And I'm sick and tired of people calling a broken UP champion "fine" because it discourages riot from actually balancing their game. I don't flame/rage when people pick champs who are underpowered. You can succeed on anyone doing anything, and the game is about having fun. But ultimitely, feeling useless by sheer virtue of the fact that your champion is underpowered is fun for no one, and it is behavior that needs to be remedied.

Support EvelynnDec 21, 20141 votes

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And I'm sick and tired of people calling a broken UP champion "fine" because it discourages riot from actually balancing their game. I don't flame/rage when people pick champs who are underpowered. You can succeed on anyone doing anything, and the game is about having fun. But ultimitely, feeling useless by sheer virtue of the fact that your champion is underpowered is fun for no one, and it is behavior that needs to be remedied.

I even said in the original post that Eve needs some help, but I just don't feel that she's that far off from being viable. This is mere opinion. However when people say she's unplayable and say it all the time everywhere the game becomes a very toxic environment for those who are still play these champions.

Poptart EvelynnDec 21, 20142 votes

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I vaguely remember you even admitting of doing such yourself.

And yeah, I must be such a fotm player spamming her during a time where I get flamed for picking her. I've honestly had more people yell at me for picking HER than URGOT. I am completely sick of people saying I can not do well on a champion that is perceived as bad.

I'm not calling you one of those people. I'm just speaking in general to most people that say she is "fine" and we just suck with her.

In general I'm extremely mad about how Evelynn has been handled in the past and currently. They just kept whacking her and giving her random things to compensate without actually acknowledging the role she is suppose to fill. So when I come across a post saying that current Evelynn isn't that bad and just needs a slight buff. I get extremely pissed.

Me and so many other Eve players have been making post back to back on so many things. We told them the pink ward change would be an issue. Did they acknowledge it? No, they just whacked the shit out of her the moment she saw competitive play. We told them the current stealth is an issue for her being viable with burst being on the table. Did they acknowledge that either? Nope, they just whacked the shit out of her the moment DFG mid Eve got popular. It's over and over we keep seeing the same cycle. She becomes a viable pick, whacks the shit out of her, weak for a period of time, crappy buffs, and then a slight change in the kit which will lead right back to the start.

I don't mean to rant here but it really irks the hell out of me when people can be ok with how Evelynn is being treated over these years. How the hell can anyone be okay with this? I really enjoy the style of Evelynn but I feel that Riot is taking her in a boring/non fun direction that no one really likes. Building ap on Eve is fun, being an assassin is fun, and moving fast/invisible is fun. Now what we got for a while was an invisible tank. Ahh yeeaa we want the enemy team to have to focus something they can't see. Brilliant.

So I'm sorry if you are offended by my comments but you really understand that as an avid Kat/Eve player. I really get frustrated when others say Evelynn is in an okay spot but just needs a little help.

I'll let everyone in on a secret too atm with current jungle. You don't even have to jungle it at first. Do red, level 2 gank a lane, sap a little xp from each lane you gank(just happens while you gank so you don't really think about this but you get to level 3/4 through this), and then go back to base to get your first set of items to farm jungle with. The problem is after you have snowballed the shit out of the game with all those kills early on. You fall off so frekin hard that you can't even kill the carries that have no items. If you can't close the game out in 30 mins you lose. FUN right?...