Assassins have been getting powercreeped for awhile now. Rightfully so honestly, they've been hurting for awhile. But now they're in an ok spot and these AD item changes (namely stormrazor and lord dominiks) are going to put them over the top.
I could be wrong, we'll see.
No surrender7 votesMost assasins don't need to buy expensive items for crit builds, they wreck squishes by buying cheap Lethality and making use of their high skills damage.
You don't pick assasins to kill anything else than ADC or midlane APC
The only exception can be Yasuo, but the banrate will powerspike along with even more hate to this champion.
saltran13 votesYasuo isn't an exception for assasins since he's not an assasin in the first place.
No surrender2 votesYasuo isn't an exception for assasins since he's not an assasin in the first place.
His build is not like Zed or Khazix, but still once he lands on ADC it's one-hit KO
Assasinated
Everything that do 100 to 0 on combo to ADC can be considered as playing Assasin role, if you one shot with Draven then you just assasinated your target.
Nyarlathοtep3 votesNope. Thats called burst. And yasuo cant burst unless he is way way too ahead.
saltran1 votesDeleted (wanted to answer "No surrender", not you)
ZackTheWaffleMan1 votesYou know that you can delete a comment, right? You don't just have to edit it.
saltran6 votesThat's not how it works: Jax can also delete an adc with the aa resets of his W + T.Hydra and it doesn't make him an assasin.
No surrender1 votesThat's not how it works: Jax can also delete an adc with the aa resets of his W + T.Hydra and it doesn't make him an assasin.
So? You want to call him tank?
saltran5 votesB r u i s e r
Verxint3 votesJax and Yasuo are Skirmishers
Leetri4 votesBruisers don't exist, it's a super broad fan-made term that no one can unite on what it actually encompasses. Officially Jax is a Skirmisher, which is a subclass of Slayers. What the boards tend to call "bruisers" are actually Fighters, with the subclasses Juggernauts and Divers.
flibitydoo2 votesexcept for the first 5 years of the game, everyone agreed and united on the fact that a bruiser by definition was a champion that both dealt and tanked damage. Typically by building one offensive item and then going full tank afterwards.
Those "official" class definitions made by Riot are awful and make things like "lissandra is by definition a tank due to how cc apparently defines tanks" a reality. It's a shitty attempt at ripping off the DOTA 2 Role system except it's extremely gated (literally riot only allows a champion 2 class definitions and that's it), actually fks with the balance (because apparently every assassin needs to be zed and do the "kill and escape" so whenever they make an assassin they give them even more mobility to do that instead of having simple champions like rengar), and on the whole confuses players trying to enter the game because they re-define basic gaming nomenclature like tanks (where in every other game, something being tanky is considered being highly durable and absorbant to damage; in this game it's whatever the fk throws a ton of cc).
PB4UAME3 votesYou don't understand tanks at all man.
It has to do with their role in a fight.
Look at a Warrior in WoW. Yes, they can be specced to be a tank, but almost always they will be speced as a melee damage dealer with some AoE capacities. Dedicated classes like Paladins or Deathknights however, are much more commonly tanks, and especially main tanks, as they have the crowd controls and especially TAUNTS In standard MMORPG terminology, if you do not have a method of taunt or forced aggro, then quite simply, YOU ARE NOT AND NEVER CAN BE A TANK. PERIOD.
For that matter, even off-tanks cannot function as true main tanks unless they are massively over leveled/over geared, as they would need to outdamge DPS classes to maintain aggro, and still would need the defensive gear to function as a main tank without the resistances, immunities, and other massive defensive cooldowns like party-wide invulnerability. The same is true in League. Garen or Darius ARE NOT FUCKING TANKS at BEST they can be described as off-tanks, but even then they are functionally and fundamentally different from a main tank like Leona or Braum, and do not have the CC to effectively initiate fights or peel off divers/assassins.
In actuality, Garen and Darius are juggernauts, target and mobility restricted melee carries. They, like the aforementioned Warrior, are melee DPS classes-- however, to survive being in that melee with all the AoE and ranged damage they would take just wading into the fight, they need extra sustain or bulk (note, Darius has no extra bulk, and Garen no in combat sustain, they each only have one piece to the puzzle) to do so.
The mistake, is fools like you then claim this classifies them as a tank, in completely and utter obliviousness to how they actually play and what role in combat they actually perform, and the skills and abilities that they lack. If someone's main focus is damage dealing, they ain't a goddamn tank. If their job is to take attacks for allies, shield others, CC and prevent their opponents from being able to act, or especially damage their allies, then they are a tank.
Melee classes in MMORPGs are tankier than ranged pretty much categorically. Does that make every melee character a tank, because they have bulk? wtf no. That doesn't even make sense, and even applied to any other game than League, still wouldn't make sense unless you only had 2 different classes and no subclasses/specs of 1 ranged and 1 melee.
Look at the tools champions have available to them, and what role they fulfill in fights, more than looking at their stats or item builds.
Leetri1 votesThen I guess Annie is a bruiser too since she gets pretty swole while dealing lots of damage. Riot stopped using the term bruiser specifically because it's such a broad term that encompasses champions that play wildly differently.
PB4UAME1 votesAccording to RIOT bruisers are the two classes of Divers and Juggernauts.
See, there was a time when there were the two terms bruiser, and fighter, which Morello then broke down into light-fighters like Yasuo, Riven, and brusiers like Garen, J4, Vi.
Light-Fighters, now have been redefined as Slayers, of which Skirmishers and Assassins are the two sub-classes.
^basically what you had said, with some minor corrections.
IS1a35739310e64704643993 voteshe is a fighter/assassin. adcs are ranged assassins
Tails90161 votesI thought
was supposed to be a skirmisher, which is a duelist, which are supposed to deal sustained damage alongside burst in the right circumstances, such as the W + 
you mentioned, and have a defensive tool to not get demolished for jumping into a fight just because they aren't 
.
is also a skirmisher unless something happened that I'm unaware of.
Z3Sleeper3 votesIf game length remains the same then not much is changing. However, in longer games this is a pretty massive buff for their 4th+ items.
Poske3 votes[{quoted}](name=No surrender,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=MalJW7oi,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-05-07T06:43:10.863+0000)
Most assasins don't need to buy expensive items for crit builds, they wreck squishes by buying cheap Lethality and making use of their high skills damage.
You don't pick assasins to kill anything else than ADC or midlane APC
The only exception can be Yasuo, but the banrate will powerspike along with even more hate to this champion.
None ever said they ll start going 128319237819% crit chance
There is that item coming which guarantess crit. I can guarantee you rengars ll build that, nocturnes ll build that
No surrender2 votesNone ever said they ll start going 128319237819% crit chance
There is that item coming which guarantess crit. I can guarantee you rengars ll build that, nocturnes ll build that
As late as possible, Duskblade have better buildpath, is cheaper, gives same if not more damage, and provides anti-ward utility. Nocturne is AS Carry that when being too squishy dies faster than Rengar
It all has its drawbacks, I cant build those items as first
Poske4 votes[{quoted}](name=No surrender,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=MalJW7oi,comment-id=000000020000,timestamp=2018-05-07T11:56:51.126+0000)
. Nocturne is AS Carry
He is not. Nocturne is high range one shoter. Thats the only way he is played in high elo. Try building attackspeed on nocturne there and you ll get pinged alot
It all has its drawbacks, I cant build those items as first
Duskblade into guaranteed crit item
So a second item..
AmazoX1 votes[{quoted}](name=No surrender,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=MalJW7oi,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-05-07T06:43:10.863+0000)
Most assasins don't need to buy expensive items for crit builds, they wreck squishes by buying cheap Lethality and making use of their high skills damage.
You don't pick assasins to kill anything else than ADC or midlane APC
The only exception can be Yasuo, but the banrate will powerspike along with even more hate to this champion.
Assassins are pure garbage in High level of play because Lethality out right sucks.
Thefrostyviking3 votesAssassins are garbage in high level play because they are opportunistic while high level of play doesn't let that kind of chance happen anywhere as often as a assassin would need to succeed.
Only time i recall seeing assassin in high level play was up to season 3 and the lethality meta, otherwise they were almost never picked or used as far as i can recall.
Mages have dominated high level midlane at almost all other times.
Bent Pixels5 votesNot 
tho... sigh (coming from an Ekko main, I am scared of Zed, Yasuo, etc.)
Z3Sleeper1 votesDW you got mana item buffs kek.
BLIGHTBRINGER4 votesIt's not really a prediction as it's bound to happen, I mean Stormrazor it's obvious that it's going to be picked by a large pool of Assassins 
Disembark1 votesProbably Zed , Nocturne, and Shaco (I forget if he has a crit out of stealth or not).
Kha/Kayn AD scaling is too high for him to give up raw AD, also they spam abilities so the single crit isn’t worth it.
Rengar/Talon have a crit inside of their kit.
Reaper Claws2 votesKha will definitely buy Stormrazor because his new r change allows him to proc it three times. Stormrazor plus Duskblade gives him insane auto damage three times in a row.
SweedishGunner2 votesPlus his passive. Scary amount of damage.
Reaper Claws2 votesAnd if you take Dark Harvest, HOLY SHIT!!!!
Bisaknosp3 votesas if they werent busted already lol
Z3Sleeper3 votesBesides Kha Zix, not really.
SnugglePuggle943 votesGo play against a fucking Zed or Talon then say that again.
I'll wait.
Z3Sleeper3 voteshttps://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2778305215/219911506?tab=overview
"that again"
However this is a D2 game afterall so I'd expect the experience to differ in ranks where people don't know how to play against a Zed, a pretty fed one at that.
SnugglePuggle944 votes[slayer-jinx-unamused]
Really? Pulling the fucking rank card?
That's rude.
There are people, even in a lower rank than you, that know how to play against Zed but still have a very hard and frustrating time.
Don't be looking down on other people just because you are higher rank.
Z3Sleeper5 votesI'll address the one valid thing you said first cuz I like civil discussion:
Yes people in lower ranks can know how to play against a Zed, but there's still a reason that isn't just their team sucking that speaks for why they are in those lower ranks. Be it reaction time, decision-making, etc. You can know how you're supposed to play against it and still fall short on executing that plan. It happens to everyone, but less frequently the higher you go (flip side is the opposite end of the spectrum gets better at countering counter strats). Thus why the experience can vary in different ranks that represent different skill levels.
Now onto the invalid bs you just tried to spew at me:
Where did I say your opinion is invalid? Where did I say silver is trash? Where did I say you are beneath me?
Did I say any of that? Or did I simply say this is a D2 game and the experience can differ in different skill divisions where people perform at a different skill levels? Y'know, something someone can reasonably take away from my single sentence reply.
You asked me to play against a Zed and I did and put proof along with the disclaimer that I'm D2 and the experience can differ in different ranks. How the hell did you interpret that wrong? That cannot be a mistake. It could be. It very well could be. But it's more than likely not. I've seen this one too many times now to think that.
You know what's really, really rude? Devolving the discussion into this pitiful victim act where you try to pin me as a big mean cyber bully that took your cyber lunch money.
You know what else is rude? Putting words in my mouth. You think you're clever? That you've spun the argument in your favor by instantly calling that I stated the fact that ranked divisions represent skill divisions as rank shaming? Or are you just that ignorant that you actually believe that this is what rank shaming is?
You want people of higher ranks to not rank shame you but then pull this card out the moment they mention the difference in skill is a real factor and is entirely what the ranking system is based on? You think anyone is going to take you seriously? You think you're representing how other Silver players want to be seen and communicated with? That they should be avoided like the plague in balance discussion in fear of them not being able to handle it and drawing pitchforks when someone so much as mentions the ranking system?
Why do you think no one mentions rank in this forum any more? It's because of people like you. People like you that devolve discussions that mention rank into this pitiful excuse of a straw man.
In any case, you've sickened me with this sad display of self-victimization. Both this comment and yours contribute nothing to this conversation and if a mod were present he'd hastily delete both of these. That's how baseless and off-topic your accusations are.
Y'know, I like this forum. I like debating and discussing and learning from all of it, educating myself and others, understanding and sharing opinions. But then we have people who do nothing but talk trash on here, I hate those people, we all do. But this goes beyond them. This is nothing short of absolutely disgusting.
Yes I'm mad. I'm sorry to call you out like this but I've had enough of people pulling the reverse rank card ever since we finally made headway to almost entirely eliminating rank shaming through community effort. Just never do it again and I won't openly hold a grudge.
ModPeriscope4 votesBoth this comment and yours contribute nothing to this conversation and if a mod were present he'd hastily delete both of these.
No, this was a pretty civil way to handle a dispute about rank. Thank you for that.
NineTailedMystic2 votesidk, your last ranked game vs zed had him fed as fuck. Either he was bad and didn't know how to push a lead, or their team comp wasn't good enough because they had no true tank and the closest thing was SirChez building his AP Singed build.
Z3Sleeper2 votesThe Zed technically had a lot of kills, but most of them were just him last hitting champions essentially. Most of his ults were on our 10% health Braum in the tail end of fights as well.
That's not to say he wasn't the MVP of their team, he definitely was. But as usual, early game Assassin kills that don't snowball into a fast victory leaves the Assassin having little impact on the rest of the game.
You can tell through total damage dealt to champions that both Zed wasn't doing anything extraordinary and that his targets were barely affected by his existence (they still all dealt 20k+ on average, despite a 11/1/7 Zed being present and potentially putting them in gray screens).
AMYS GRAVE2 votesAssassins have been getting powercreeped for awhile now. Rightfully so honestly, they've been hurting for awhile.
No, don't powercreep the assassins, lower the power of other classes. The whole game has been powercrept for a while now, and it needs to be reversed.
Zullar2 votesLord Dominik's + lethality on assassins will shred 83 armor down to 0. This is a 29% damage increase compared to live.
I made a post about it and the Riot responded but still looks like it's going through? https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/developer-corner/do2swmal-pbe-chat-with-the-playtest-team-810?comment=00410000
Zed and Talon already at 51% win rate. Wukong 52%. They really don't need a new item that increases damage vs. squishies by around 29% (Lord Dominik's). But I guess balance is all about pro play and they want assassins in the LCS?
When they nerf 44% win rate champs because the pro's play them (See Ryze/Azir/Kalista), and then do shit like this to above-average win rate champs because they want them in LCS... it's like saying fuck you to regular players... all we care about is the pro's.
SwiftKitten881 votesthat's not really much a a "prediction" its already been verified on pbe... although honestly it breaks "bruisers" more
Τohru1 votesI'll give it 1 patch in the game before they add the (ranged only) tag.
The Yetii Rider1 votesGood. Assassins being strong makes marksmen weak. That helps open up bot lane. You need both mages to be viable and marksmen to be weak for mages to start being picked in bot lane.
NineTailedMystic4 votesNot worth Mages being bullied out of mid lane though.
