I f***ing hate vayne

First of all let me say that the idea that an adc's strength is team fighting is very narrow minded. Adc's are nearly as varied in function as solo laners these days. Examples: Jhin-utility champion who works well in tandem with allies, pretty useless by himself. Ezreal-about the only champion the game capable of significant, sustained, long range poke. Vayne - great for dueling. Miss Fortune - lane bully with crazy AOE, but little way to secure the kills. The list goes on but you get the point.

Secondly in my last post I listed at least one champion in each role who inherently has a good kit against her, that's not even including strategy implementation, that's just picking a certain champ! Also those were just some good examples, not every single possibility.

And what do you mean I don't know how it feels to play against her with someone who can't fight her? I just said in the last post that Draven is like the only person who can straight up fight her, and even he will start to dominate her less in later stages of the game. And I also listed strategies you can use to bully her that don't include poke champs. I myself have been playing like no Varus/Jhin/MF in the off season, been playing a lot of Trist-Vayne-Ashe-Xayah. You will notice all of these besides Vayne herself don't want to straight up fight the Vayne.

You cannot argue that champion is unbalanced simply because they win the vast majority of 1v1's. And there are plenty of ways to kill her in a team fight, I just listed several but not all in my last post. I'll say it again, certain champions are intentionally designed to win the vast majority of 1v1's unless you pick one of like 2-3 champs who can take them...it's intentional. If you take Jax for example - if he gets 1 damage item and 2 tank/bruiser items he will win virtually every duel in the game. Riot does not want you to have the option to outduel him. Some champions are designed to force your hand. So when the enemy picks Jax you HAVE to either punish his early weakness in lane (like Vayne), pick one of the obscure few who can actually duel him (like Draven does to Vayne), or you play style that does not favor him like heavy aoe wombo or high wave clear and poke. It's not a choice. You have to do one of those 3 things or he will just win the game single handedly through lane pressure. He's not unbalanced, he's just Jax.

I believe Vayne's high win rate is due to what I mentioned before, people being unwilling to learn or implement the champions and play styles that can easily punish her. "But I want to play Kha jungle because he is so strong with lethality items" ok...that's your choice, but don't cry when she goes invis the second you dive in and she turns and 3 shots you. You chose the fun over the win. "But I want to fight in lane, not poke or push and tower demo" ok...that's your choice but don't cry when she bodies you in the all in. This is part of how Riot creates requisite variety. You will hit ceilings in your climb if you don't learn multiple champions or multiple styles. Challenger one tricks are the outlier here, but even the learn to play their champion with different styles and item builds because they know the matchups so well. This is 100% of League of Legends...understanding your win condition and playing to it. Just accept the fact that dueling Vayne or taking little to no reliable CC is a LOSS condition.

I'm not going to list all of Vayne's weaknesses, just suffice to say she is far less well rounded than many other ADC's, and in return her few strengths are very strong. Some champions just have to be countered specifically with champion kits or strategies. If you want to play Kha zix jungle, just make sure you have a couple other people on your team who can engage and lock her up reliably, if not then you take the engage champ with reliable cc. Maybe play J4 tank build so that way the second she comes out of stealth you just ult her then she is locked in with you and 4 team mates murder her before she can kill a tank. You don't even have to flag n drag in, her range is so godamn short that you can just ult her if she autos you. If she condemns you as the tank, even better, now there is nothing to stop your team from going on her. Other scaling carries like Tristana, Twitch, Xayah, are just so much easier to win a team fight with than Vayne. Way easier to pull off.

You can also zone her for that same reason. I know we joked earlier in the thread about Amumu, but real talk, Vayne dies if she gets cc'd for a second, which is easy because of short range. Even if he misses his Q, he can just walk at her and she has to back up cuz the ult range is so big that it's hard to work around even with lateral movement. Now if the Amumu is not brain dead he will go tank, so even if she kills him, is that how you want your Vayne to spend the first 6 seconds of a team fight? Killing an Amumu simply because she can't join the fight until he blows his ult?

Here is the non champion specific list of how to beat Vayne that can include multiple meta and non meta: -poke her in lane -push her in and take her tower, win map while she sits in side lane playing catchup -play team fight wombo and kill the majority of her team in one combo so that you can play into her with a numbers advantage -play point and click CC champs -Zone her with champions or skills that she cannot afford to get close to (this is in the context of a team fight not 1v1) Rumble, Oriana, Casseopia, Vladimir come to mind, any kind of reliable ranged CC -play a siege comp with reliable disengage, walk up to towers and start hitting them, disengage and reset when Vayne and/or her team try to take a fight. -stack multiple champions with good engage and cc that is not point and click, that way even if you miss her with something you still have other tools she has to play around or you can get on to her. Coordinate your CC priority with team.

If you look at the list above and are unwilling to play any of the above styles/strategies, then congratulations, Vayne is your gate.